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Post by Ivan Ž. » 07 Apr 2015 18:17

I know very well what you wrote; I'm only trying to help you realise that there is much to be heard and learned before making and publishing an opinion on something, which might turn out to be unfair, disrespectful or perhaps even potentially insulting for someone. It is just a friendly and positive criticism.

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Post by eliorossetti » 07 Apr 2015 21:44

Hello Ivan and thanks for your reply. I will check for these links :)

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Post by Alexander B. » 08 Apr 2015 03:40

@Ivan

I appreciate your effort to watch after me and get me to learn the correct way, I apologize, I took it more like you were trying to make it so I couldn't have an opinion of my own.

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Polydor 2 17319

Post by Alexander B. » 09 Apr 2015 04:47

Hello

I'm looking for a little help with this record I just received in the mail.

I am especially looking for any information at all, and a complete digital recording of it, as mine is a relic copy, which I am working on repairing, but so far the first 20 seconds are not playable.

"Ein Volk - Ein Reich" is the song I really would like to hear.

@Ivan, do you have any leads?

It sounds like a very interesting song, unfortunately until I arrive on a way to fix my relic recording, I won't get to hear the whole thing on my own

Thanks.
Alex

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Ein Gefreiter [Lied]
Composer: Leo Hans Mayrhofer
Lyricist: Hans Perkeó
Vocalist: ?
Musical Group: Musikkorps des Infanterie-Lehr-Regiments, Döberitz (Olympisches Dorf)
Conductor: Obermusikmeister Bendix Tumforde
Recording Date: 08.04.1938
Recording Location: Berlin, Lützowstraße 111-112
Record Company: Deutsche Grammophon GmbH, Berlin

Ein Volk – ein Reich (Verbrüderungsmarsch aller Deutschen)
Composer: Eduard Wagnes
Lyricist: Josef Rez
Vocal Group: Heyn-Quartett, Berlin
Musical Group: Musikkorps des Infanterie-Lehr-Regiments, Döberitz (Olympisches Dorf)
Conductor: Obermusikmeister Bendix Tumforde
Recording Date: 08.04.1938
Recording Location: Berlin, Lützowstraße 111-112
Record Company: Deutsche Grammophon GmbH, Berlin
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Re: Polydor 2 17319

Post by Ivan Ž. » 10 Apr 2015 14:00

Hello again, Alex. That extremely rare record comes from a basically unknown recording session by Tumforde's band, with Austro-German songs, made for the occasion of Anschluß. "Ein Gefreiter" is a 1938 song composed by the Viennese composer Leo Hans Mayrhofer (1896-1958), author of "Blaue Donau - grüner Rhein", another Anschluß song which was also recorded by Tumforde's band in this session (the known recording of "Blaue Donau - grüner Rhein" is a different one, made by Walter Schütze's orchestra with vocals by Willy Schneider). "Ein Volk – ein Reich" is especially interesting: first of all, it is one of the earliest known Austro-German brotherhood/unification NS songs (in the refrain they sing: "Heil Hitler!" tönt es weithin, wir sind ein Volk, ein Volk, ein Reich!). It was composed in 1933 by the well known Austro-Hungarian military composer and bandleader, 70 year old Eduard Wagnes (1863-1936), best known for his march "Die Bosniaken kommen!". Naturally, "Ein Volk – ein Reich" is a forgotten piece today and as far as I know it's never being mentioned in the lists of his compositions. The piece was recorded for the first time in 1933 for "Clausophon" by the band of Schutzpolizei Berlin under Ludwig Hahn; this (1933) recording was also released on the Austrian "Paloma" label under an unofficial title "Gruß aus Österreich", or "Greetings from Austria" (only a "wink-wink" is missing).

I have never heard those two Tumforde's recordings. It is a great find, congratulations!

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A year later (1939), Tumforde's band recorded a march with a similar title, which shouldn't be confused with Wagnes' composition. It was Hermann Blume's "Ein Volk – ein Reich – ein Führer", which was released on several records and thus is not as rare as the recording of Wagnes' piece.

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Re: Polydor 2 17319

Post by Alexander B. » 12 Apr 2015 08:58

@Ivan

Much appreciation for your footwork on this recording and getting me some beautiful information!

My only question now would be is there a possibility my relic copy could be repaired?
it is missing a small outer chunk of the record, making the record for the first 10 seconds or so unplayable.

Unfortunately the missing piece is long gone, but the rest of the record is perfect.
I have toyed a little with the idea of fitting a new piece to it somehow and using a powerful magnifying glass to magnify the grooves for myself. And cutting new grooves for the needle to pass through in the replacement section. Perhaps I could make the new section from some kind of epoxy.

Do you have any suggestions?
I've seen ways of fixing them online, but all seem to involve finding the original piece that's absent from the recording.

Perhaps there's a skilled person you know that may know how to do this kind of repair?

I'd rather not damage the record further by experimenting on it myself.

Maybe I will toy with the concept with some common English language records I have.

If you think these images could help, here are pictures of the damaged part from each side.

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Re: Polydor 2 17319

Post by Ivan Ž. » 12 Apr 2015 09:48

Uh, that is a nasty break. I don't know what to tell you. The only thing that came to my mind is to perhaps sacrifice some worthless/damaged record, if you have one, and to carefully cut and shape (like a sculptor) a piece to match the missing one and then glue them together. But I'm not sure if it will work; this is an uneven, really nasty break. However, if it does work, there would be some very short excerpts from another recording hearable of course, but I think they could be removed without much problems in a sound editing program.

Another option: as I wrote, I haven't heard these particular recordings, but, in general, the very beginning of such compositions/recordings is often being repeated in the 2nd half of the track. If it's the same case with these two songs, you can record the tracks from the 10 seconds or so onwards and then copy (in a sound editing program) the missing fragment from the 2nd half of the recording and place it at the beginning. For example, in the 1933 Berlin police recording of "Ein Volk - ein Reich", the fragment played at the first 10 seconds is identical to the one at 1:50. If you don't know how to make such a sound montage I can help, I've done it many times and perfectly; you could never tell the difference between it and the the original. That would also be the safest option for your fragile record. (Important note for everyone: never make such a reconstruction unless you are 100% sure that that is precisely what the original sounded like)

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Re: Polydor 2 17319

Post by Alexander B. » 12 Apr 2015 10:15

Perhaps I'm over complicating things,
But what if I found a way to pour an epoxy into the area and from there carved new grooves into it?
That would fill the jagged and broken break pretty perfectly. And then perhaps a small sharp pick to cut new grooves leading into the existing ones?

Just a guess.
I'd have to do some experiments on some of my common victor recordings that I have stacks of from being used as packing pieces.

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Re: Polydor 2 17319

Post by Ivan Ž. » 12 Apr 2015 10:20

Maybe it would work (although I'm very skeptical about the idea), but first check if the beginning is being repeated anywhere in the recording. It would be the safest and also the easiest/quickest way to recover the full recording. In case you decide to recover the missing piece by making a new one and carving the grooves, try using a round ruler-type of tool for the grooves (not carv the grooves freely with your hand), then it might work.

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Telefunken A 1512

Post by Alexander B. » 09 May 2015 01:23

@Ivan.
Thank you for all the great information on fixing my record.

My apologies for my brief hiatus, I have been busy with university.

There are a-lot of ideas from all kinds of collectors as to the best way to deal with fixing or if I should even attempt fixing the record. For now I will be putting that project on the back burner, especially since I don't have my good turntable right now for making digital restorations anyway.

So for now, more record reviews!

Nothing too special, but a record I've been after for quite a while. I never knew the common version of "Mein Nam' ist Annemarie" was Sturm 33's choir.

Personally speaking it ranks among my least favorite recordings of the song, I much like the partial versions that are in a-lot of the popular potpourris of the time, but that is, of course, a matter of personal opinion.

On the other side is the usual recording of "Lore Lore" it seems almost every recording I have with Sturm 33's choir has this on one side, must have been a popular one!

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Lore, Lore (Des Försters Töchterlein)
Composer/Lyricist: Anonym
Arranger: Carl Woitschach
Musical Group: Blasorchester Carl Woitschach, Berlin
Recording Date: 01.11.1933
Recording Location: Berlin, Sing-Akademie (Unter den Linden 5)
Record Company: Telefunken-Platte GmbH, Berlin

Mein Nam’ ist Annemarie (Mein Regiment, mein Heimatland)
Composer/Lyricist: Anonym
Arranger: Carl Woitschach
Vocal Group: Chor des SA-Sturms 33/1, Berlin
Musical Group: Blasorchester Carl Woitschach, Berlin
Recording Date: 01.11.1933
Recording Location: Berlin, Sing-Akademie (Unter den Linden 5)
Record Company: Telefunken-Platte GmbH, Berlin
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Odeon O-11853

Post by Alexander B. » 18 May 2015 22:31

Another one of my personal favorites and definitely one of my favorite "Potpourri" style recordings.

"Der Sieg der Deutschen Nation" is a compilation 10 different popular songs and marches popular during the national socialist movement with an excited announcer introducing the songs and saying generally patriotic things. (Hence the "Melodrama" label)

Definitely worth introducing to your collection if you come across it at a fair price.
Its worth noting that I've seen the band credited as "Musikzug der SS Standarte 42" with the Sturm 3-II-42 Choir.
I am unaware of if there are other pressings of the same record with them credited, or if people know something I don't, however the Odeon O-11853 is credited simply a "Melodram mit Orchester und Chor"

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Der Sieg der deutschen Nation [Melodram] 1. Teil
Montager/Writer: Kurt Bessel
Reciter: Karl Zander
Vocal Group: Chor des SS-Sturms 3/II/42, Berlin
Musical Group: Musik- und Spielmannszug der SS-Standarte 42, Berlin
Conductor: Musikzugführer Alexander Heinz Flessburg
Recording Date [Reciter]: 22.04.1933
Recording Date [Vocal/Musical Group]: 13.03.1933, 13.03.1933, 16.03.1933, 13.02.1933, 16.03.1933
Recording Location: Berlin, Carl Lindström AG (Schlesische Straße 26-27), Raum IV
Record Company: Carl Lindström AG, Berlin

Contents: Volk, an's Gewehr! [Pardun], Deutschlandlied [Haydn/v.Fallersleben], Brandenburger Lied [Büchsenschütz], Als die gold'ne Abendsonne [Anonym/Muschalla], Deutscher Föhn [Hanfstaengl]

Der Sieg der deutschen Nation [Melodram] 2. Teil
Montager/Writer: Kurt Bessel
Reciter: Karl Zander
Vocal Group: Chor des SS-Sturms 3/II/42, Berlin
Musical Group: Musik- und Spielmannszug der SS-Standarte 42, Berlin
Conductor: Musikzugführer Alexander Heinz Flessburg
Recording Date [Reciter]: 22.04.1933
Recording Date [Vocal/Musical Group]: 12.04.1933, 16.03.1933, 13.02.1933, 16.03.1933, 14.03.1933
Recording Location: Berlin, Carl Lindström AG (Schlesische Straße 26-27), Raum IV
Record Company: Carl Lindström AG, Berlin

Contents: SA marschiert [Anonym/Hammer], Brüder in Zechen und Gruben [Anonym], Badonviller-Marsch [Fürst], Wiener Jungarbeiterlied [Mahrer/Hädelmayr], Horst-Wessel-Lied [Anonym/Wessel]

* Kurt Bessel = Karl Zander
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Re: Odeon O-11853

Post by Ivan Ž. » 18 May 2015 22:45

Telefunken wrote:Its worth noting that I've seen the band credited as "Musikzug der SS Standarte 42" with the Sturm 3-II-42 Choir.
I am unaware of if there are other pressings of the same record with them credited
Hello, Alex

The performer ID is mine (and it is correct). For more info, please see: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1&t=213609

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Re: Odeon O-11853

Post by Alexander B. » 19 May 2015 01:59

@Ivan

Thank you for clearing that up.
I had seen the credited on many of the pirate videos of the song on youtube, I am always weary of information they provide, now that I know that they stole it from you, I realize it is correct. I just worry when I see them provide information because its the same kind of people that decided "Sieg Heil, Viktoria" was an SS/Concentration camp/hell march/ "insert random buzzword" song.

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Re: Odeon O-11853

Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 May 2015 07:21

Hello, Alex, your skepticism is well justified :)

Do see also the newly added info to your post.

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Re: Odeon O-11853

Post by Alexander B. » 19 May 2015 21:08

@Ivan
thanks for adding the information.

I've noticed that you resize my photos and make polarize them, making them much better to look at.
How is that process done so I can do it myself and save you the trouble?

Also.
you seem to know the recording dates of most records, I know this is done through matrix numbers to a certain extent, I'm working right now on my personal catalog using software provided by the 78 RPM collectors community. (If anyone is interested it is very good software, its still in beta, but its very very good) How is this information found, as I'd like it for my catalog for each record.

Thanks
Alex

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