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Post by PAK » 17 Apr 2005 20:06

stg44 wrote:The other one I listened to was a recording of Deutschland über Alles (orchestral only, no vocals) that sounded very beautiful. Crystal clear CD quality in stereo. I have no idea where this one came from.

This is Joseph Haydn's "Kaiser-Quartett" written in 1797, it still is the music of the official hymn of Germany so it isn't rare at all.

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Post by stg44 » 17 Apr 2005 21:16

I was under the impression that Deutschland über Alles was banned in Germany also?? Hmm..learn something new everyday then. :D

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Post by Marcus » 17 Apr 2005 21:19

Some background:

The text of the song 'Das Lied der Deutschen' was written in 1841 by the German poet August Heinrich Hoffmann von Fallersleben (1798-1874). At that time Germany was still split up in more than 30 small states which were loosely united since 1815 in the Deutscher Bund (German Federation). Hoffmann von Fallersleben who was a poet, linguist and historian of literature wrote also a number of other well-known songs. His 'Lied der Deutschen' consisted of three stanzas, beginning with the opening line 'Deutschland, Deutschland über alles.'

In 1922, the first president of the German Republic, the Social Democrat Friedrich Ebert, officially introduced the Deutschland-Lied as the National Anthem.

In May 1952, the third stanza of the Deutschland-Lied was proclaimed the official anthem of the Federal Republic of Germany by President Theodor Heuss.

The melody of the Deutschland-Lied was composed by Joseph Haydn (1732-1809), the famous composer of many symphonies, operas and oratories. The melody is that of the old Austrian Kaiserhymn (Imperial Anthem) which was played for the first time on February 12, 1797.

http://www.germany-info.org/relaunch/in ... nthem.html

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Post by nondescript handle » 18 Apr 2005 14:25

Hi stg44,
I'm wondering what is your definition of "music that was popular during the 1930s-1940s"?

The two examples you gave were: the German anthem and the Königgrätzer Marsch a march composed 1866.
Is a national anthem "popular"? It is played at "official" events (from soccer matches to state ceremonies). But only few people own records of the national anthem and listen to them as music.
The Königgrätzer Marsch is a standard march since its was composed. Are standard marches "popular"? Marching bands (military, fire brigades, shooting clubs) play them all the time, but records of standard marches were never chartbreakers (not 1930-1945, not today).
The marches like the Königgrätzer Marsch are somewhat akin to classical music (Mozart and the like): they had their audience before the third reich, during the third reich and after the third reich...

For me "popular music" is music in the charts and on radio. One example of a song of the 30s and 40s in a modern version would be Heinz Rühmanns Fliegerlied from 1932 which was covered by the rock band Extrabreit in the 70s.

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Post by stg44 » 19 Apr 2005 00:50

Greetings...

I suppose what I meant by "popular music" was music that was often played during nazi party rallies or official functions and such. Was not much of this music banned after the war? To me, to be able to listen to music from that time period is interesting as it helps paint a picture in my mind what the average peoples' moods and thoughts were, even if so many today regard them as evil. I am at least open-minded enough to realize that not all Germans from that time period were universally evil and many even detested the acts they were forced to carry out. It is unfortunate that today whenever anyone speaks the word "nazi" they often mean it to be applied to all Germans from that time period. I realize there is a difference but many today do not and they "paint with a broad brush".

The Königgrätzer Marsch was composed by Piefke, correct?

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Post by maxxx » 20 Apr 2005 16:44

Ahhh! Piefke! You know his name became the austrian synonym (or even insult) for a "prussian"?

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Post by Johan Björklund » 21 Apr 2005 17:50

I don´t think any songs from that era are banned today. I once looked up a website which stated banned nazi-symbols in Germany today, and they only listed swastikas and runes connected with HJ SS and SA. Oddly enough the flag from ww1 is allowed and often used by right-wing demonstraters today.
It was tha same flag that the Freikorps used when they battled the red front in Germany during the 20s.
Many of the popular songs from the rallies during the nazi-era were just old folksongs which were altered with new lyrics.
By the way, what´s the point in banning symbols and songs. Nazism has survived ww2 and 60 years more. Seems like Germany is hiding from its past.

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Post by Fubbik » 10 May 2005 11:44

maxxx wrote:Ahhh! Piefke! You know his name became the austrian synonym (or even insult) for a "prussian"?


Gottfried Piefke was one of the great German march-composers. Der Königgrätzer has as its trio-party another march, der Hohenfriedberger, because the army corps of the Crown Prince arrived at the battlefield of Königgrätz just in time to save the day, its bands playing just der Hohenfriedberger.

Piefke also wrote Preussens Gloria, one of the favourite marches during th Nazi era.

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Modern recordings of 3rd Reich marches

Post by Uncle Joe » 04 Jun 2007 00:31

Do modern recordings of 3rd Reich marches exist? Soviet marches of the era do exist in modern recordings.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 04 Jun 2007 09:27

Try to find these LPs/CDs for example:
- Tschingta, tschingta, Bummtara (Die größten Erfolge von Herms Niel)
- Grüne Teufel (Lieder der deutschen Fallschirmtruppe)
- Lieder unserer Fallschirmjäger
- Der Reichsarbeitsdienst [Documentary Series]
- Die deutsche Luftwaffe [Documentary Series]
- Die deutsche Kriegsmarine [Documentary Series]

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Post by behemoth » 30 Jun 2007 20:19

Fallschirmjäger notwithstanding, are there any TR marches, Ivan, that you know of, currently used by the German Armed Forces or commonly performed at parades? You are familiar with "Erika" for example being featured on some records. I have seen "Flieger empor" available on 45's at auction. I have heard modern (although not that good...) recordings of "Panzerlied" (not including the famous one from the movie "Battle of the Bulge").

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 01 Jul 2007 09:26

I don't know about them being used at parades, but many Wehrmacht marches are still being played; for example Husadel's "Kampfgeschwader Immelmann", "Fliegergeschwader Horst Wessel", "Jagdgeschwader Richthofen" and others...

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Post by HaEn » 01 Jul 2007 20:50

Funny anecdote.
In 1974, my familyand i went for a visit to our relatives in Holland. We took a side trip into Germany, and i wanted to buy some records with German soldiers song/marches in a records shop. The sales woman almost trew me out. So, no records. After geting back home (USA) we took a short trip into Vancouver BC, and right in the music department of the Hudson Bay company, was "Westerwald", playing on the sound system. I bought both records..
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Post by Schmeisser » 24 Aug 2007 17:25

Ivan Ž. wrote:Grüne Teufel (Lieder der deutschen Fallschirmtruppe)
A question about "Grüne Teufel - Lieder der deutschen Fallschirmtruppe". What songs were used in Third Reich?

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 11 Sep 2007 16:38

Schmeisser wrote:A question about "Grüne Teufel - Lieder der deutschen Fallschirmtruppe". What songs were used in Third Reich?
01. Die Fallschirm-MG-Kompanie (Wir tragen nicht Schmuck und nicht Orden schwer...)
Composer: Oberjäger Dietrich Schulz-Köhn
Lyricist: Oberjäger Müller

04. Fallschirmjäger (Ein Sprung ins Nichts...)
Melody: ?/ Composer: Anonym
Lyricist: Oberfeldwebel Günter Praus
Arranger: Gerhard Pallmann

05. Wir sind die deutschen Fallschirmjäger (Seht die roten Garben...)
Composer: Gerhard Pallmann
Lyricist: Walter Schäfer

09. Glück ab! (Glück ab, Kamerad...)
Composer/Lyricist: Feldwebel Hans Dorendorf

12. Adlerleben (Wie stolz in die Lüfte der Adler sich schwingt...)
Composer/Lyricist: Hans Joachim Thormann

13. Fallschirmschützen, tretet an!
Composer: Oberfeldwebel Zierach; Oberjäger Woitschick
Lyricist: Leutnant Schlichting

14. Fallschirmjägergeist (Himmel, Wolken und Sterne...)
Composer/Lyricist: Feldwebel Georg Eulenberger

16. Fallschirmjäger auf Nachtmarsch (Einsam auf steinigen Wegen...)
Composer/Lyricist: Flieger Felix Kaufmann

18. Wir sind deutsche Fallschirmjäger! (Donnernd zieh’n auf Wolkenbahnen...) * original uncensored title: Wir, des Führers Fallschirmjäger!
Composer/Lyricist: Unterfeldwebel Günter Konrad

20. Grüß’ deinen Fallschirmjäger (An jedem frühen Morgen...)
Composer: Hauptmann Stübiger
Lyricist: Otto Laun

22. Fallschirmjäger im Einsatz (Wer kennt die Soldaten im grauen Kleid...)
Composer/Lyricist: Oberjäger Dietrich Schulz-Köhn

23. Das Lied der Fallschirmjäger (Rot scheint die Sonne....)
Composer/Lyricist: Oberjäger Friedrich Schäfer

24. Der fliegende Adler (Wir tragen den fliegenden Adler am Rock...)
Melody: Unsere Garde [Marsch]/ Composer: Rudolf Förster
Lyricist: Gefreiter Hans Preuß



"Wir sind die grünen Teufel" and "Uns gehört der blaue Himmel" are Bundeswehr songs.

No further info at the moment.

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Ivan


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