Unidentified Wehrmacht bands

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Re: Heer

Post by Alexander B. » 03 Sep 2015 22:25

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Any idea on the photos I posted?

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Re: Heer

Post by Ivan Ž. » 03 Sep 2015 22:55

Hello, Alex

I think I didn't even see your post :? Anyhow, unfortunately I can't find a single detail which might help in the unit/place/timeframe ID. The usual uniforms, barracks...

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Post by Auceps » 24 Oct 2015 19:56



A German military band marching through Copenhagen and playing "Wir fahren gegen Engelland" at Hitler's 51th birthday, 20th April 1940.

P.S. I'm not sure, where should videos with unknown military bands be placed, here or in a separate topic.

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Post by Auceps » 08 Nov 2015 03:28

This is a screenshot from the short Pathe reportage about the parade of the Leibstandarte in Paris in July 1942:
LSSAH Musikkorps, Paris 1942.jpg
The interesting thing here is the Schellenbaum. The inscription is not on traditional SS black background, but on white, more typical for the Heer. The collar tabs of the conductor are also looking like two similar Gardelitzen. Maybe it's some Heer and not LSSAH band?
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 19 Nov 2015 16:46

Auceps wrote:Maybe it's some Heer and not LSSAH band?
Agreed, but no further info at the moment.
Auceps wrote:P.S. I'm not sure, where should videos with unknown military bands be placed, here or in a separate topic.
Here, I'll rename the topic simply to "Unidentified Wehrmacht bands".

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Re: Unidentified Wehrmacht bands

Post by Auceps » 20 Dec 2015 02:22

Another unidentified SS-band from this newsreel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fssT0hSFHg
SS-MK 1.jpg
SS-MK 2.jpg
Could possibly be a band of the Handschar division.
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Re: Unidentified Wehrmacht bands

Post by GregSingh » 20 Dec 2015 04:12

Re: Paris band, at least conductor was from SS, taken from opposite side of the street on 29th of July 1942.
Not sure why Bundesarchiv has it as August, unless there was more than one parade...
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If we become increasingly humble about how little we know, we may be more eager to search.

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Re: Unidentified Wehrmacht bands

Post by Maxschnauzer » 20 Dec 2015 11:28

To me this unidentified band looks like they may be rehearsing a a piece prior to a welcome ceremony for someone about to arrive via railway carraige. Supposedly taken somerwhere along the Polish border.
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Re: Unidentified Wehrmacht bands

Post by Ivan Ž. » 09 Jan 2016 10:56

GregSingh wrote:Re: Paris band, at least conductor was from SS, taken from opposite side of the street on 29th of July 1942.
Not sure why Bundesarchiv has it as August, unless there was more than one parade...
Hello, Greg

I don't think it's the same conductor/band. Looks much skinnier than the other one (and it is a different unit). In German military tradition (and not only German), each unit would usually have its own band on a parade. So during a Heer march-past - its Heer band would play, and during Leibstandarte's - the Leibstandarte's band. This tradition still lives on in Germany even in the folk culture; see various Schützenfest (Marksmen's Festival) videos; each group is being led by a band, which stops at a certain spot and plays while its group march-passes, and then continues to march behind the group. Then the next band comes and stops, and so on.

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Re: Unidentified Wehrmacht bands

Post by Auceps » 07 Jun 2016 21:39

Two more photos, apparently from 1940. Since later photos of Bergmann are that of LSSAH in France, I presume it is their band before some fortress. Could it actually be Metz? The only thing that confuses me is the star on the Schellenbaum.
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Source: SS-KB Bergmann
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Re: Unidentified Wehrmacht bands

Post by Auceps » 07 Jun 2016 21:57

Further are Himmler and Dietrich to be seen in front of the same fortress, so yes, it is Metz and possibly LAH.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 13 Oct 2016 21:50

Auceps wrote:Another Wehrmacht band playing at some concert (Photos by SS-KB Homann). Or there are two bands there?
Ivan Ž. wrote:This is a mixed Heer & SS band [...] The photos were taken in 1942 at the National Theatre in Belgrade, and the SS men are almost certainly members of the "Prinz Eugen" division. Although the details are small, the insignia on the collar patches looks like the Odal rune to me - and it's not wishful thinking, it does look like it (as far as I can see, the insignia is definitely not the Sig runes) and it makes sense; the division was stationed nearby and the photographer who took the photos was attached to it.
More info: the date is 03.10.1942 (the place is indeed the National Theatre in Belgrade).

The photos show (info from the concert announcement): 3 Musikkorps der Wehrmacht und der Waffen-SS unter Leitung von Stabsmusikmeister Kurtz, Musikmeister Hexmann, SS-Oberscharführer Mechler.

Stabsmusikmeister Kurtz is likely Alfred Kurtz (born in 1885), but I don't know in which unit he served at the time. No info on the other two conductors, but I may add that the "Prinz Eugen" bandleader was a NCO too (I don't know his name at the moment, but it is very likely the same man) and that, to my knowledge, it was the only Waffen-SS unit stationed nearby at the time (except for war correspondents, which, as far as I know, didn't bring a band along with them). So I'm quite sure that it is indeed the "Prinz Eugen" band.

If someone could find some more info on Kurtz and Hexmann, we might be able to identify the full band, i.e. all three units.

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Re: Unidentified Wehrmacht bands

Post by Teppeny » 11 Nov 2018 18:20

Hello, I was searching for LVF pictures and I found these pictures. I know that these picture were taken in June, 18, 1942 at Versailles, in a casern called "Quartier de la Reine" (Some picture were taken with a color camera) All theses pictures are from https://bibliotheques-specialisees.pari ... Book.xhtml
TEST LVF zik 18-06-1942 3.png
TEST LVF Versailles 7.png
LVF versailles 4.jpg
LVF et Musikkorps couleur.jpg
TEST LVF zik 18-06-1942 2.png
I have 4 more pictures, I will make a post after.
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Re: Unidentified Wehrmacht bands

Post by Teppeny » 12 Nov 2018 16:38

Here are the 4 more pictures :
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Unknown Luftwaffe Musikkorps

Post by Teppeny » 02 Jun 2019 16:11

Hello everyone, I found some pics of a speech that Léon Degrelle made in Palais de Chaillot (Paris) on march 5 1944.
I have no clues about the Musikkorps except that it's not the Herman Göring Musikkorps, because on the pic, the musicians don't have the Herman Göring division cuff title. Can someone help me to found wich Musikkorps is here ?

Here is the pic:
musikkorps pour ahf.png
A more zoomed pic to see the details:
pour ahf.PNG
The pic is from this awesome archive website https://bibliotheques-specialisees.pari ... 60224/0005?

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Teppeny
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