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Musikzug der 42. SS-Standarte

Post by Alexander B. » 09 Oct 2015 03:56

Hello!

I've recently started to compile quite a nice set of recordings from the Musikzug-42, most on the Carl Lindstrom Gloria label, the other few on Odeon. It has me thinking that I'd really like to start trying to complete my collection of their recordings. Does anyone have a compiled list of their recordings OR the materials I'd need to compile one myself? (I.e. catalogs) While their performances aren't usually my favorite compared to other recordings of the same track, (I find it just a bit too stern, but appropriately so) they are very well performed and recorded pieces as far as I've been able to tell.

Are there any other military bands that anyone would suggest completing a series of recordings of?

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Re: Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42

Post by Fallersleben » 09 Oct 2015 13:40

I would recommend you the recording lists from Lindström company but... these old-style-german handwriting font is hard to read and scan quality is not really good. http://www.phonomuseum.at/2011/06/aufna ... -auf-cd-r/

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Re: Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42

Post by Alexander B. » 10 Oct 2015 05:27

Thank you very much for the lead, I can't say that I'm too excited that I have to pay for the materials, but I suppose this kind of research is expensive to gather. Any other good sources for manufacturer catalogs? Or am I going to have to collect my own?

Finally I do have to ask, what is that record you've got set as your profile picture? I am rather curious.

All the best :thumbsup:
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Re: Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42

Post by Fallersleben » 10 Oct 2015 13:59

On the following records you will find recordings from Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42:

GO-10714 Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) | Märkische Heide (Lincke)
GO-10714 Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) | Brandenburger Lied (Büchsenschütz)
GO-10715 SA marschiert (Anonym) | Als die gold'ne Abendsonne (Anonym)
GO-10716 Marschparaphrase über das „Horst-Wessel-Lied“ (Redl)
GO-10717 Badonviller-Marsch (Fürst) | Stahlhelm-Bundesmarsch (Blume)
GO-10723 ? ? * Orchester Hans Bund | Der Leuthener Grenadiermarsch (Roland)
GO-10735 Wach' auf, mein Vaterland (Sander) | Deutschland, erwache! (Paetel)
GO-10736 Wach' auf, mein Vaterland (Sander) | Deutscher Föhn (Hanfstaengl)
GO-10751 Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) | Wiener Jungarbeiterlied (Mahrer)
GO-10752 Brandenburger Lied (Büchsenschütz) | Brüder in Zechen und Gruben (Anonym)
GO-10764 Wiener Jungarbeiterlied (Mahrer) | Brüder in Zechen und Gruben (Anonym)
GO-10765 Wenn alle untreu werden (Anonym) | SS im schwarzen Waffenkleid (Paetel)
GO-10766 Deutschland ist erwacht (German) | Unser Gruß: Heil Hitler! (Strich-Rossmell)
GO-10767 SA marschiert (Anonym) | Als die gold'ne Abendsonne (Anonym)
GO-10797 Mein Nam' ist Annemarie (Anonym) * Musikzug der SA-Standarte 9 | O, Deutschland hoch in Ehren (Pearson)
GO-10833 Das braune Hemd (Busse) | Faschistenmarsch (Blanc)
GO-10836 Volk, an's Gewehr! (Pardun) | SA marschiert (Anonym)
GO-10846 Uns’re Fahne flattert uns voran! (Borgmann) | Heil Deutschland (Thiele)
GO-10849 Lore, Lore (Anonym) | Das Geheimnis (Anonym)
GO-10857 Heil-Hitler-Marsch (Baeker) | Blaue Jung's (Ludwig)
GO-10870 Lore, Lore (Anonym) | Lisa (Anonym)
GO-10871 Sturm! Sturm! Sturm! (Eckart) | In München sind viele gefallen (Anonym)
GO-10874 Altbadischer Signalmarsch (Liese) | Unter'm Kyffhäuser (Schröder)
GO-10875 Es zog ein Hitlermann hinaus (Anonym) | Das Lied der SA (Roonthal)
GO-10898 Badonviller-Marsch (Fürst) | König-Karl-Marsch (Unrath) * Blasorchester Carl Woitschach
GO-13031 Flamme empor (Gläser) | Giovinezza (Blanc)
GO-13181 Deutschlandlied (Haydn) Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) * mix | Badonviller-Marsch (Fürst)
GO-13181 Deutschlandlied (Haydn) Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) * mix | Badonviller-Marsch (Fürst) Preußens Gloria (Piefke) * mix
GO-13226 Mein Schlesierland (Mittmann) | Neuer Westfalen-Marsch (Langhorst)
GO-13227 Mein Schlesierland (Mittmann) | Grüß dich Gott, Westfalenland (Peters)

O-11842 Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) | Volk, an's Gewehr! (Pardun)
O-11843 Einmarsch der Fahnen (Haydn) | Ausmarsch der Fahnen (Piefke)
O-11846 Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) | Volk, an's Gewehr! (Pardun)
O-11853 Der Sieg der deutschen Nation (Bessel) * mix
O-26001 Deutschlandlied (Haydn) Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) * mix | Nibelungenmarsch (Sonntag) * Blasorchester

B-47400 Deutschlandlied (Haydn) * Erk'scher Männergesangverein | Der Leuthener Grenadiermarsch (Roland)
B-49230 Die Bremer Stadtmusikanten (Krome) * Tanzorchester | Lore, Lore (Anonym)

[from Gloria and Odeon catalogues, Lindström recording list and private collections]

[List completed by the host, Ivan Ž.]

Telefunken wrote:Thank you very much for the lead, I can't say that I'm too excited that I have to pay for the materials, but I suppose this kind of research is expensive to gather. Any other good sources for manufacturer catalogs? Or am I going to have to collect my own?
Most period catalogues are rare and hard to find. I don't know where to get them for free.
Telefunken wrote:Finally I do have to ask, what is that record you've got set as your profile picture? I am rather curious.
See: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1&t=125743

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Re: Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42

Post by Ivan Ž. » 10 Oct 2015 19:10

Ivan Ž. wrote:GO-13181 Deutschlandlied (Haydn) Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) * mix
GO-13181 Deutschlandlied (Haydn) Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) * mix | Badonviller-Marsch (Fürst) Preußens Gloria (Piefke) * mix

O-11853 Der Sieg der deutschen Nation (Bessel) * mix
O-26001 Deutschlandlied (Haydn) Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) * mix
Explanation for the recordings marked as "mix":

These are all sound collages, i.e. older recordings, cut, put together and then released as new ones.

"Deutschlandlied / Horst-Wessel-Lied" (GO-13181, O-26001, matrix Bi 1754-0, mixed on 13.03. and again on 23.03.1934)
The "Deutschlandlied" part was cut from the recording by Blasorchester Carl Woitschach from 10.10.1929 (matrix Be 8633).
The "Horst-Wessel-Lied" part was cut from the recording by Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42 from 16.03.1933 (matrix Be 10278).
["Horst-Wessel-Lied / Deutschlandlied" mix, in that order, was released as well]

"Badonviller-Marsch / Preußens Gloria" (GO-13181, matrix Bi 1755-0, mixed on 13.03. and again on 23.03.1934)
The "Badonviller-Marsch" part was cut from the recording by Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42 from 13.02.1933 (matrix Bi 1245).
The "Preußens Gloria" part was cut from the recording by Musikkorps der Kommandantur Berlin from 17.09.1928 (matrix 36305).

"Der Sieg der deutschen Nation" has been discussed already here http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1&t=213609 and here http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0#p1946404

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Re: Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42

Post by Alexander B. » 11 Oct 2015 21:10

Fallersleben wrote:On the following records you will find recordings from Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42:
Thank you F. and Ivan for your help with getting me the list. In your more experienced opinions, what do you think the chances of me completing my catalog of their performances is? There's plenty of songs on that list I've never heard of, many more that I've never listened to, and plenty I've never even seen physically. So far I've found SS-42 recordings to be relatively easy to come across compared to recordings by other SS bands, but I'm sure there's a few titles on that list that are impossible to come across?

Also, I found one recording from them in my collection that does not match the list. Side "B" is correct with "Brüder in Zechen und Gruben" (Bi 1304), but side "A" has "Es pfeift von allen Dächern" (Bi 1302-2) Were two different records released with this order number?

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Fallersleben wrote:Most period catalogues are rare and hard to find. I don't know where to get them for free.
I was just hoping maybe a very big time collector that collected all kinds of 78's might have posted one somewhere.
Very interesting. I still have yet to add a copy of "Ade Polenland" to my collection.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 11 Oct 2015 23:29

Telefunken wrote:In your more experienced opinions, what do you think the chances of me completing my catalog of their performances is?
It's going to be rough! :D
Telefunken wrote:Also, I found one recording from them in my collection that does not match the list. Side "B" is correct with "Brüder in Zechen und Gruben" (Bi 1304), but side "A" has "Es pfeift von allen Dächern" (Bi 1302-2)
Es pfeift von allen Dächern = Wiener Jungarbeiterlied.

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Re: Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42

Post by Alexander B. » 12 Oct 2015 07:19

Ivan Ž. wrote:
Telefunken wrote:In your more experienced opinions, what do you think the chances of me completing my catalog of their performances is?
It's going to be rough! :D
I'm 25% there. Too bad the other 75% is the rare stuff! :x

Also, what label are the records labeled "B-" at the end of the list?

I'll keep you all updated on the progress. I'm going to have to get in touch with the record sellers.

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Re: Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42

Post by Ivan Ž. » 12 Oct 2015 09:46

Telefunken wrote:Also, what label are the records labeled "B-" at the end of the list?
Parlophon.

B = Beka
GO = Gloria-Odeon
O = Odeon
P = Parlophon

[at the time, the Beka label wasn't used anymore, so Parlophon used the B prefix]

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Re: Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42

Post by Alexander B. » 14 Oct 2015 00:35

Ivan,

Thank you. I was thinking that they were Beka as well, but I thought surly not on the Beka label as it was retired. Now I know. So the ones with the B prefix are going to be found on Parlophon label? Any examples of those (any Parlophon label that is similar will do) so I know what to look for? I've still yet to purchase any Parlophon recordings, and I imagine that the SS-42 ones are going to be a tough nut.

One last question for the master before I shut up for now.
Are these the same recordings re-released with different names or are they physically different performances with different matrix numbers? I know thanks to you that Märkische Heide and the Brandenburger Lied are one in the same, but I wonder if they are two different performances.
Ivan Ž. wrote:GO-10714 Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) | Märkische Heide (Lincke)
GO-10714 Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) | Brandenburger Lied (Büchsenschütz)
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 14 Oct 2015 10:02

Telefunken wrote:So the ones with the B prefix are going to be found on Parlophon label? Any examples of those
Here are two, from SCF and DISMARC. Notice the SS performer wasn't credited. March credited as "Der alte Fritz" is "Der Leuthener Grenadiermarsch" and "Max Boland" is Marc Roland incorrectly typed. I forgot to mention that there are also a couple of postwar releases of "Badonviller-Marsch" by SS-Standarte 42 (the band was censored, naturally).

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Telefunken wrote:Are these the same recordings re-released with different names or are they physically different performances with different matrix numbers?
Ivan Ž. wrote:GO-10714 Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) | Märkische Heide (Lincke)
GO-10714 Horst-Wessel-Lied (Anonym) | Brandenburger Lied (Büchsenschütz)
I'll try to make it simple as possible; SS-Standarte 42 recorded three versions of "Märkische Heide":


1st version, 13.02.1933, matrix number Bi 1240 - "Märkische Heide" march by Paul Lincke, with Büchsenschütz's "Brandenburger Lied" (a.k.a. "Märkische Heide") in trio; vocals by SS-Sturm 3/II/42; released on Gloria GO-10714.

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2nd version, 16.03.1933, original matrix number Be 10277-2, renumbered and released as Bi 1240-2 - Büchsenschütz's "Brandenburger Lied"; featuring Spielmannszug and the vocals by SS-Sturm 3/II/42; released on Gloria GO-10714, and incorrectly credited as Paul Lincke's march, often as "Bi 1240" only (without the small additional "2" written on the label), so it might be difficult to find sometimes (in most cases the labels of both GO-10714 variants look identical, as you can see in these two examples; I think F. here has a variant with "Bi 1240 ²" written on the label, but I can't find it in my files at the moment).

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3rd version, 16.03.1933, matrix number Be 10279 - Büchsenschütz's "Brandenburger Lied", the same arrangement as the previous one, only instrumental; featuring Spielmannszug; released on Gloria GO-10752.

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Post by Fallersleben » 14 Oct 2015 20:28

Ivan Ž. wrote:2nd version, 16.03.1933, original matrix number Be 10277-2, renumbered and released as Bi 1240-2 - Büchsenschütz's "Brandenburger Lied"; featuring Spielmannszug and the vocals by SS-Sturm 3/II/42; released on Gloria GO-10714, and incorrectly credited as Paul Lincke's march, often as "Bi 1240" only (without the small additional "2" written on the label), so it might be difficult to find sometimes (in most cases the labels of both GO-10714 variants look identical, as you can see in these two examples; I think F. here has a variant with "Bi 1240 ²" written on the label, but I can't find it in my files at the moment).
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Re: Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42

Post by Alexander B. » 15 Oct 2015 04:30

Thank you guys for all the new info.

As it turns out I have the second version as well, also with the updated label!
Interesting how the "Copyright Lindstrom" seal is present on one and not the other.

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Re: Musikzug der SS-Standarte 42

Post by Ivan Ž. » 15 Oct 2015 11:20

Thank you for the scans, F. and Alex.

Notice that all three variants of the Bi 1240-2 (Be 10277-2) release posted here have different inscription - and all are incorrect. The least incorrect is the last one, posted by Alex, where Lincke wasn't credited (correct), but the song was still wrongly credited as "Marsch über das gleichnamige Lied".

The correct inscription for Bi 1240-2 should have looked like this:

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Re: Musikzug der 42. SS-Standarte

Post by Alexander B. » 27 Sep 2019 04:48

Hello,

Does anyone have record of the matrix numbers for the Beka (Parlophon)-B49230? I have an Odeon export record (Numbered A 161277) which has the exact same two titles on it as B49230; but, both credited as Odeon instead of Parlophon orchestras. I wonder if it could be the same record!

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