German marching band formation / fife and drum tune

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German marching band formation / fife and drum tune

Post by Fuzzbomb » 14 Jul 2019 19:48

Hi there, first poster here, a couple of questions someone might know the answers to.

1. There are a few pictures around the net (sorry can’t find them right now) of Wehrmacht or the LSSAH band marching in very, very closed (lockstep) formation. They are quite comical in that the musicians are pointing their instruments outside the end ranks. Why would they be marching in such a strange way?

2. Even today, German military bands precede March pieces with a fife and drum tune, it seems to be everywhere, is it Prussians and is there any other purpose than to allow the band to switch music and Sax players a chance to give everyone’s ears a rest? Anyone know the name?

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Re: German marching band formation / fife and drum tune

Post by Ivan Ž. » 14 Jul 2019 20:26

Hello and :welcome:

In future, please post different questions separately. Regarding the first question, I can't remember seeing any strange/comical German marching band formations (except in Disney's "Der Fuehrer's Face"). As for the other question: the longer tune is called "Parademarsch der Spielleute" (Spielleute = fife and drum players) which is followed by the short "Lockmarsch" (also known as the "Locke"). Sometimes only the "Lockmarsch" is played. (Note: there's also an Austrian "Lockmarsch", different than the Prussian. You can always hear it at the end of the New Year's Concert in Vienna, announcing the "Radetzky-Marsch".)

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Re: German marching band formation / fife and drum tune

Post by Fuzzbomb » 15 Jul 2019 12:56

Okay, will do. Yes, thanks that explains the fife intro and yes I find quite a lot of their performances comical.
I’ve found a photo, here we go, one cannot but laugh at the idiotic formation with the only brass band on the planet to ever feature trombones on the end rank. The SS win top prize for funniest band in WW2. :lol:
There is absolutely a fair position to mock and discredit this bunch of (actually average) musicians who under the baton of Müller-John, massacred around 50 Poles. These were evil people who’s music warrants no more artistic attention than that it actually existed within the propaganda framework of such an evil regime.
The scores, instruments and recordings belong behind glass in a museum.
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Re: German marching band formation / fife and drum tune

Post by Ivan Ž. » 15 Jul 2019 13:28

The LSSAH musicians were indeed war criminals and the Nazi regime was indeed evil, but that's just not the way to discuss history. This is a serious forum. Please refrain yourself from using adjectives like "idiotic" and "comical" for the things you don't understand, that is, still search info on. To say that a band which massacred people is also the funniest is rather ill-mannered. Mass murderers are anything but funny. You're welcome to participate in the forum, but please keep your personal feelings under control or preferably to yourself, since they are of no historical nor any kind of interest to anyone.

If you wish to add something to the discussion on the LSSAH band in particular, you may do so here viewtopic.php?f=81&t=64004
(Please always read previous posts before posting yourself, to avoid double posting.)

As for the marching band formation you found difficult to understand, the answer lies in the same photo album: the first photo below shows the static LSSAH band formation at the barracks (it was an award ceremony at the barracks, not a big public parade). When they turned to the left for a (brief) march, the trombone players, who previously stood at the front, ended up on the side. In order to keep the same distance between the rows (see the troops marching the same way in front of them, in the full image), they had to hold their long instruments on the side. Usually, when a marching formation makes a turn, the rows are briefly tightened, and then they make more space along the way. Nothing strange there.
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(Photo source: kriegsberichter-archive.com)

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Re: German marching band formation / fife and drum tune

Post by Fuzzbomb » 15 Jul 2019 19:32

My apologies but as an accomplished brass instrumentalist, I realistically believe that emotion has absolutely everything to do with musical appreciation, yet such interest ceases when it comes to propaganda for murderous regimes. Supposedly stirring dynamics or the “emotional” wobble of a Nazi soloist fail to move all but the most congested bowels.

The greatest weapon against any nasty regime is humour, they don’t get it and anyway the greatest piece of Nazi music ever made is a parody, it’s hilarious, it’s great, and not even German (it’s British) but tells the listener everything they’d ever want to know about men that walk funny in even funnier hats. We can laugh, they lost!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cNVVoH9-QH0

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Re: German marching band formation / fife and drum tune

Post by Ivan Ž. » 15 Jul 2019 20:25

Fuzzbomb, this is a history forum, it's not an emotion-exchanging nor a chit-chat forum. If you're here merely to share your thoughts and attitude, to mock and to judge, you're at the wrong place. The Nazis thankfully lost, but there's really nothing to laugh about them or WWII; too many innocent people died because of the Nazis, and others. If you need to keep on fighting a long dead regime with humour for some reason, please do so elsewhere. Again, control yourself when posting here, (re-)read the forum rules and try staying on topic in future.

Since both questions have been answered and the initial poster continued posting off-topic remarks, the thread has been locked.

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