Italienisch-deutsches Militärmusiktreffen (1938)

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Italienisch-deutsches Militärmusiktreffen (1938)

Post by Auceps » 28 Feb 2016 01:28

[Several posts dealing with the same event have been merged into one topic. Ivan Ž.]

From Brian L. Davis' Uniforms and Insignia of the Luftwaffe, London, 1999, vol. 1, pp. 142-143
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[I̶n̶ ̶M̶a̶y̶ ̶1̶9̶3̶8̶ ̶A̶d̶o̶l̶f̶ ̶H̶i̶t̶l̶e̶r̶ ̶m̶a̶d̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶v̶i̶s̶i̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶I̶t̶a̶l̶y̶.̶ ̶H̶e̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶c̶c̶o̶m̶p̶a̶n̶i̶e̶d̶ ̶b̶y̶] the band of the Regiment 'General Goring' - among others. The musicians from this band are seen here performing in front of the Arch of Constantine led by their conductor of music. In the forefront of the photograph is the regimental Schellenbaum, frequently referred to in English as a 'Jingling Johnnie'. [...]
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German military bands in Rome (1938)

Post by Tretyak » 15 Feb 2019 15:59



Among the bands, I could recognise the ones of Artillerieregiment 23 and Infanterieregiment 77 (could be seen at 2:02 and 2:34 respectively).

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Post by Tretyak » 28 Feb 2019 23:11

Another video, this time with a more audible and lively music :milsmile:.


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Post by Ivan Ž. » 28 Feb 2019 23:32

Hello and thanks for posting the interesting videos.

The "more audible and lively music" is Schröder's "Deutschlands Ruhm" ;)

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Post by Tretyak » 01 Mar 2019 10:00

Thank you, Ivan! I have been really trying to remember the title, but with no success :?

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Re: Italienisch-deutsches Militärmusiktreffen (1938)

Post by Ivan Ž. » 28 Sep 2020 21:22

Here's more info on the event: there were [s̶e̶v̶e̶n̶] eight [see the post by Schmeisser below] German bands attending it - six music corps (two from the Luftwaffe, two from the Kriegsmarine, two from the Heer) and two mounted trumpeter corps (also from the Heer). There were also two music inspectors there, Prof. Schmidt (Heer) and Prof. Husadel (Luftwaffe). (Schmidt is seen saluting in the 2nd video posted by Tretyak, at 1:55.) The first grand concert took place on 28 May 1938.

As far as I could tell by the Schellenbaum banners, these were the bands that attended the meeting (I've also added the names of the bandleaders who led the bands at the time; however, it should be checked whether it was them who led their bands during this particular meeting as well):
Heer: Trompeterkorps des Artillerie-Regiments 23 (Obermusikmeister Walter Harmens)
Heer: Trompeterkorps ?
Heer: Musikkorps des Infanterie-Regiments 77 (Musikmeister Otto Schwägerl)
Heer: Musikkorps ?
Kriegsmarine: Musikkorps ?
Kriegsmarine: Musikkorps ?
Luftwaffe: Musikkorps des Regiments "General Göring" (Obermusikmeister Paul Haase)
Luftwaffe: Musikkorps ?


Music inspectors:
Heeres-Musikinspizient Prof. Hermann Schmidt
Luftwaffen-Musikinspizient Prof. Hans Felix Husadel


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Re: Italienisch-deutsches Militärmusiktreffen (1938)

Post by Ivan Ž. » 28 Sep 2020 21:29

Two press reports:

From Der Führer, 29.05.1938, p. 12
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From Der Führer, 30.05.1938, p. 3
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Re: Italienisch-deutsches Militärmusiktreffen (1938)

Post by Ivan Ž. » 28 Sep 2020 21:37

From https://www.gettyimages.com/
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Italy, Rome, Italian and German military music band convention in front of Constantin Arch, at the end of the thirties.
From left to right: Musikkorps des Infanterie-Regiments 77, unknown Heer band *, two unknown Kriegsmarine bands, unknown Luftwaffe band and Musikkorps des Regiments "General Göring".

* There's actually a well known postcard of this band, but I was never able to decipher the Schellenbaum inscription. Here it is again, stretched out; can anyone read or recognise it?
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Re: Italienisch-deutsches Militärmusiktreffen (1938)

Post by Tretyak » 28 Sep 2020 21:52

Ivan Ž. wrote:
28 Sep 2020 21:37
There's actually a well known postcard of this band, but I was never able to decipher the Schellenbaum inscription. Here it is again, stretched out; can anyone read or recognise it?
The inscription looks like "Infanterie-Regiment List", in my view.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 28 Sep 2020 22:01

I read "Infanterie-Regiment" too (although I'm not sure about that either), but I can't see "List" - nor have I heard of such a unit designation being used before 1939. (Don't forget that the previous close-up was stretched and thus is partially deformed.) Here's another shot of the Schellenbaum (a detail from the aforementioned postcard).
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Re: Italienisch-deutsches Militärmusiktreffen (1938)

Post by GregSingh » 29 Sep 2020 01:53

Perhaps you will find some answers here: Schriftenreihe "Militärmusik" Nr. 42
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Re: Italienisch-deutsches Militärmusiktreffen (1938)

Post by Schmeisser » 29 Sep 2020 12:44

According to Deutsche Militär-Musiker-Zeitung Nr. 22 eight German bands were present:

Heer, berittene Truppen: Trompeterkorps des Kavallerie-Regiments 15 (Stabsmusikmeister Hugo Gerlach)
Heer, berittene Truppen: Trompeterkorps des Artillerie-Regiments 23 (Obermusikmeister Walter Harmens)

Heer: Musikkorps des Infanterie-Regiments 67 (Stabsmusikmeister Paul Prager)
Heer: Musikkorps des Infanterie-Regiments 77 (Musikmeister Otto Schwägerl)

Kriegsmarine: Musikkorps der 3. Schiffs-Stamm-Abteilung (Musikmeister Erich Siebenhaus)
Kriegsmarine: Musikkorps der VI. Marine-Artillerie-Abteilung (Musikoberfeldwebel W. Knoblich)

Luftwaffe: Musikkorps des Regiments "General Göring" (Obermusikmeister Paul Haase)
Luftwaffe: Musikkorps der Luftnachrichten-Abteilung des Reichsluftfahrtministeriums (Musikmeister Erich Kiesant)

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Re: Italienisch-deutsches Militärmusiktreffen (1938)

Post by Schmeisser » 29 Sep 2020 12:48

Ivan Ž. wrote:
28 Sep 2020 21:37
* There's actually a well known postcard of this band, but I was never able to decipher the Schellenbaum inscription. Here it is again, stretched out; can anyone read or recognise it?
Looks like the only option left is Musikkorps des Infanterie-Regiments 67. Though, the Schellenbaum doesn't look like the known one.

The postcard isn't too big to make out a face for sure, but I'd say the conductor looks vaguely like Paul Prager.

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Re: Italienisch-deutsches Militärmusiktreffen (1938)

Post by Ivan Ž. » 29 Sep 2020 13:56

Good info! Thanks for sharing (I've corrected some of the unit names). So the German press was wrong in both reports - there were actually eight bands, not seven. And if you take a closer look at the beginning of the 2nd video posted by Egor (Tretyak), there's both mounted bands nicely visible. (I've also noticed now that one of the reports mentioned "both mounted bands", that is, that there were two.) The bandleader in the postcard does look vaguely like Prager, but it's hard to be certain with the currently available info/images. It would be good to find out what's written on that banner.

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