Musikkorps der Leibstandarte-SS "Adolf Hitler"

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 11 Nov 2009 10:31

Hello, everyone

Does anyone know the name of this SS-Oberscharführer conducting the band of LSSAH - and also the year when the photo was taken? Maybe 1940? Musicians are wearing "Adolf Hitler" cufftitles and large "LAH" logos on their shoulderboards. There are also visible their kettledrums with "Adolf Hitler-Standarte" title on them...

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Post by pavel michalek » 11 Nov 2009 16:05

Ivan Ž. wrote:Maybe 1940?
I think you´re right. His garrison cap is an old SS-VT type and I think he has bevelled old Prussian style lower pockets.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 21 Nov 2009 00:37

pavel michalek wrote:I think you´re right. His garrison cap is an old SS-VT type and I think he has bevelled old Prussian style lower pockets.
Thank you for the fast reply Pavel.

Has anyone found a possible name of this NCO maybe? I know simple NCOs are not as known as many SS officers today, but he is a bandleader in a probably most researched SS unit, so I'm hoping his name might have been mentioned somewhere (but I'm referring only to the reliable documents)...

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Post by Auceps » 27 Dec 2009 00:53

Hello everyone!

Excuse me, but does anyone have good pictures of Leibstandarte-SS Musikkorps, escpecially in their black uniform? :) :)

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Post by Dieter33 » 27 Dec 2009 10:42

A little bit tiny ...

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Post by Auceps » 27 Dec 2009 13:33

Thank you very much, Dieter33! :) :) That's really interesting! :) :) :wink:

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 28 Dec 2009 09:07

That photo was copied from Bunge's book "Musik in der Waffen-SS". You can find a couple more interesting MK LSSAH pics in the same book.

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Post by Auceps » 28 Dec 2009 16:47

Thanks, Ivan! :) :)

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Post by Marcus » 10 Aug 2011 11:14

Several posts dealing with war crimes were split off into a new thread entitled "Musikkorps Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler in Poland".

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Post by AlifRafikKhan » 11 Oct 2012 00:38

A cropped picture of Hermann Müller-John leading his band at Nürnberg Rally in 5 September 1938...

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Post by Ste » 01 Feb 2013 14:44

I have a question concerning the role of the Musikkorps:
Andy H wrote:most armies Music sections actually become the stretcher bearers and ancillary medics
Is that true?

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Post by GregSingh » 26 Feb 2013 06:29

I am not sure about LSSAH Musikzug in particular, but in some KStN’s I saw a note (zugl. Hilfskrankenträgerstaffel).
So you might be right...
If we become increasingly humble about how little we know, we may be more eager to search.

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Post by Andrey » 01 Dec 2013 19:02

Hermann Müller-John and his orchestra "full glory" photo (with little escort). :wink:
Place: Berlin.
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 01 Dec 2013 22:06

Great photo, Andrey, thanks very much for sharing!

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Post by seaburn » 25 Mar 2014 14:51

The murder of 50 Jews in Poland in 1939 by the band master of the LSSAH Müller-John is detailed in Rupert Butler’s book (SS-Leibstandarte: The History of the First SS Division 1933-45, page 50). Butler states that Müller-John was reprieved from punishment on the orders of Adolf Hitler. Butler also states that Müller-John committed suicide with his family in the last days of the war.

In 1944 a member of the LSSAH (Jakob Hanreich) was captured in Normandy, he was asked about war crimes of the LSSAH. Hanreich related: ‘Between 20th and 25th of September 39, at least 50 Jews were murdered by the Music Pl of the L.S. in the area of Burzeum, about 3 kms west of Warsaw. The order for the atrocity was given by the then Obermusikmeister of the music Pl, Müller-John. Those to be murdered had to dig their graves first, were then put in front of it and shot……’.(TS26/856 page 231).

This was also confirmed by a member of the LSSAH (Otto Sierk) to his interrogators in Nov 44. He stated that Müller-John was 'acquitted by order of the then SS-Ogruf. Sepp Dietrich' (WO208/3650).

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