Hermann Müller-John & Musikkorps der Leibstandarte-SS "Adolf Hitler"

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Post by Auceps » 27 Dec 2009 13:33

Dieter33 wrote:
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Auceps wrote: Excuse me, but does anyone have any more pictures of Leibstandarte-SS Musikkorps, escpecially in their black uniform?
A little bit tiny ...
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Thank you very much, Dieter33! :) :) That's really interesting! :) :) :wink:

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 28 Dec 2009 09:07

That photo was copied from Bunge's book "Musik in der Waffen-SS". You can find a couple more interesting MK LSSAH pics in the same book.

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Post by Auceps » 28 Dec 2009 16:47

Thanks, Ivan! :) :)

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Post by Marcus » 10 Aug 2011 11:14

Several posts dealing with war crimes were split off into a new thread entitled "Musikkorps Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler in Poland".

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Post by AlifRafikKhan » 11 Oct 2012 00:38

A cropped picture of Hermann Müller-John leading his band at Nürnberg Rally on 5 September 1938...
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Post by Ste » 01 Feb 2013 14:44

I have a question concerning the role of the Musikkorps:
Andy H wrote:most armies Music sections actually become the stretcher bearers and ancillary medics
Is that true?

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Post by GregSingh » 26 Feb 2013 06:29

I am not sure about LSSAH Musikzug in particular, but in some KStN’s I saw a note (zugl. Hilfskrankenträgerstaffel).
So you might be right...
If we become increasingly humble about how little we know, we may be more eager to search.

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Post by Andrey » 01 Dec 2013 19:02

Hermann Müller-John and his orchestra "full glory" photo (with little escort). :wink:
Place: Berlin.
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 01 Dec 2013 22:06

A great photo, Andrey, thanks very much for sharing! The date is 1 May 1938.

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Post by seaburn » 25 Mar 2014 14:51

The murder of 50 Jews in Poland in 1939 by the band master of the LSSAH Müller-John is detailed in Rupert Butler’s book (SS-Leibstandarte: The History of the First SS Division 1933-45, page 50). Butler states that Müller-John was reprieved from punishment on the orders of Adolf Hitler. Butler also states that Müller-John committed suicide with his family in the last days of the war.

In 1944 a member of the LSSAH (Jakob Hanreich) was captured in Normandy, he was asked about war crimes of the LSSAH. Hanreich related: ‘Between 20th and 25th of September 39, at least 50 Jews were murdered by the Music Pl of the L.S. in the area of Burzeum, about 3 kms west of Warsaw. The order for the atrocity was given by the then Obermusikmeister of the music Pl, Müller-John. Those to be murdered had to dig their graves first, were then put in front of it and shot……’.(TS26/856 page 231).

This was also confirmed by a member of the LSSAH (Otto Sierk) to his interrogators in Nov 44. He stated that Müller-John was 'acquitted by order of the then SS-Ogruf. Sepp Dietrich' (WO208/3650).

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Post by Maikowski » 17 Dec 2014 11:33

Hi all,
I read once somewhere that Hermann Müller-John would have married a certain Frau John and he would have affixed her name to his. Whether this is true or not, I do not know. And if it is the case, had she British or American origins ? Maybe someone can confirm ?
Nevertheless, I have always been wondering what the correct pronunciation for his name should be. I mean how did German people pronounce his name at the time ? Should it be the “german” pronunciation [mylǝrjo:n] or the « english » pronunciation [mylǝrdȝɔn] ?
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Post by Auceps » 13 Jan 2015 21:32

Andrey wrote:Hermann Müller-John and his orchestra "full glory" photo (with little escort). :wink:
If I'm not mistaken, the photo below was in the book "Twelve Years With Hitler: A History of 1. Kompanie Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler 1933-1945". The same session?
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 03 Mar 2015 12:38

Several topics dealing with Musikkorps der Leibstandarte-SS "Adolf Hitler" have been merged.
Auceps wrote:If I'm not mistaken, the photo below was in the book "Twelve Years With Hitler: A History of 1. Kompanie Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler 1933-1945". The same session?
The same occasion, but a different photographer it seems (it's the opposite angle).
Maikowski wrote:Nevertheless, I have always been wondering what the correct pronunciation for his name should be. I mean how did German people pronounce his name at the time ? Should it be the “german” pronunciation [mylǝrjo:n] or the « english » pronunciation [mylǝrdȝɔn] ?
Pronunciation of the "J" is the same as in the name Johann (John = Yohn). It's not the English "John".
Timo wrote:Müller-John [...] In 1945 he committed suicide in Austria, together with his wife and daughter. According to Lehmann this was his way to find peace with his involvement in the killing of 50 Polish civilians in 1939 (of whom several were Jewish).
By the way, I cannot believe Lehmann tried to sell this nonsense. So, right when it was official that Germany lost the war (and nowhere in the past five years), Müller-John suddenly decides to find peace - with his wife and daughter (!?) - because he fealt sorry for the victims... Come on!

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Post by Fallersleben » 13 Apr 2015 17:06

From https://www.bild.bundesarchiv.de/
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Berlin. Musikzug der SS-Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler beim Spiel anlässlich des Geburtstages von Adolf Hitler im Garten des alten Reichskanzlei, im Hintergrund am Gebäude stehend Mitte Adolf Hitler, links Sepp Dietrich. (20.04.1935)
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Post by Auceps » 27 Jun 2015 14:41

A short video with the band playing "Badenweiler-Marsch":

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