Third Reich music banned today
Third Reich music banned today
[Topic renamed & incorrect song lists removed by the host, Ivan Ž.]
Hi!
I would like to try to build up a list of those NS-era songs that are currently (or have been) prohibited to play, either in Germany or some other country.
At least these come to mind (I think singing any of these can cause you serious harm in Germany):
- obvious, heavily national socialist content
- anti-semititic content
- SA/SS songs, other NSDAP-related marches
- songs which promote the ideals of conquering war and glorify German militarism
- associated to Hitler
Please add some more info
Merry x-mas!
- Mikko
Hi!
I would like to try to build up a list of those NS-era songs that are currently (or have been) prohibited to play, either in Germany or some other country.
At least these come to mind (I think singing any of these can cause you serious harm in Germany):
- obvious, heavily national socialist content
- anti-semititic content
- SA/SS songs, other NSDAP-related marches
- songs which promote the ideals of conquering war and glorify German militarism
- associated to Hitler
Please add some more info
Merry x-mas!
- Mikko
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Mikko,
All these matters are regulates in the Criminal Code (Strafgesetzbuch) http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/StGB.htm.
Regards
Mark
All these matters are regulates in the Criminal Code (Strafgesetzbuch) http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/StGB.htm.
Regards
Mark
Forgive me if this post is in the wrong place. If so, please move it where it is appropriate. Also, if this has been covered elsewhere does anyone have a link? I now have hundreds of German marches etc, and wouldn't mind posting them for others who've had a hard time finding all of them in one place. Particularily, I note that most of the sites where they are available for download are somewhat unreliable.
The above being said, I've heard that it's risky to share any of the Hitler Era music due to the possibility of modern Germany et. al. prosecuting etc. But if I am in the U.S., why should I worry about that? Or is there some way under international law that they can go after me if one of their citizens gets a song from my site? What a shame that Germany is under such restrictive laws. Do they really worry about all of their people re-embracing Naziism?
Just wondering.....again apologies if I'm in the wrong spot.
Dave
The above being said, I've heard that it's risky to share any of the Hitler Era music due to the possibility of modern Germany et. al. prosecuting etc. But if I am in the U.S., why should I worry about that? Or is there some way under international law that they can go after me if one of their citizens gets a song from my site? What a shame that Germany is under such restrictive laws. Do they really worry about all of their people re-embracing Naziism?
Just wondering.....again apologies if I'm in the wrong spot.
Dave
There seems to be a misapprehension here about German law. No songs are forbidden by name. There is a law which makes illegal the public display of all manifestations of Nazi propaganda. Whether the performance of a particular song violates this law is a matter for a court to determine. Obviously performing the Horst Wessel Lied or Deutschland Erwache would be a violation. But most prosecutions these days are for songs which have been newly written by neo-Nazi bands.
Here are the relevant sections of the German Criminal Code:
Section 86
Dissemination of propaganda material of unconstitutional organisations
(1) Whosoever within Germany disseminates or produces, stocks, imports or exports or makes publicly accessible through data storage media for dissemination within Germany or abroad, propaganda material
1.of a political party which has been declared unconstitutional by the Federal Constitutional Court or a political party or organisation which has been held by final decision to be a surrogate organisation of such a party;
2.of an organisation which has been banned by final decision because it is directed against the constitutional order or against the idea of the comity of nations or which has been held by final decision to be a surrogate organisation of such a banned organisation;
3.of a government, organisation or institution outside the Federal Republic of Germany active in pursuing the objectives of one of the parties or organisations indicated in Nos 1 and 2 above; or
4.propaganda materials the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organisation,
shall be liable to imprisonment of not more than three years or a fine.
(2) Propaganda materials within the meaning of subsection (1) above shall only be written materials (section 11 (3)) the content of which is directed against the free, democratic constitutional order or the idea of the comity of nations.
(3) Subsection (1) above shall not apply if the propaganda materials or the act is meant to serve civil education, to avert unconstitutional movements, to promote art or science, research or teaching, the reporting about current or historical events or similar purposes.
(4) If the guilt is of a minor nature, the court may order a discharge under this provision.
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Section 86a
Using symbols of unconstitutional organisations
(1) Whosoever
1.domestically distributes or publicly uses, in a meeting or in writtenmaterials (section 11 (3)) disseminated by him, symbols of one of the parties or organisations indicated in section 86 (1) Nos 1, 2 and 4; or
2.produces, stocks, imports or exports objects which depict or contain such symbols for distribution or use in Germany or abroad in a manner indicated in No 1,
shall be liable to imprisonment of not more than three years or a fine.
(2) Symbols within the meaning of subsection (1) above shall be in particular flags, insignia, uniforms and their parts, slogans and forms of greeting. Symbols which are so similar as to be mistaken for those named in the 1st sentence shall be equivalent to them.
(3) Section 86 (3) and (4) shall apply mutatis mutandis.
Here are the relevant sections of the German Criminal Code:
Section 86
Dissemination of propaganda material of unconstitutional organisations
(1) Whosoever within Germany disseminates or produces, stocks, imports or exports or makes publicly accessible through data storage media for dissemination within Germany or abroad, propaganda material
1.of a political party which has been declared unconstitutional by the Federal Constitutional Court or a political party or organisation which has been held by final decision to be a surrogate organisation of such a party;
2.of an organisation which has been banned by final decision because it is directed against the constitutional order or against the idea of the comity of nations or which has been held by final decision to be a surrogate organisation of such a banned organisation;
3.of a government, organisation or institution outside the Federal Republic of Germany active in pursuing the objectives of one of the parties or organisations indicated in Nos 1 and 2 above; or
4.propaganda materials the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organisation,
shall be liable to imprisonment of not more than three years or a fine.
(2) Propaganda materials within the meaning of subsection (1) above shall only be written materials (section 11 (3)) the content of which is directed against the free, democratic constitutional order or the idea of the comity of nations.
(3) Subsection (1) above shall not apply if the propaganda materials or the act is meant to serve civil education, to avert unconstitutional movements, to promote art or science, research or teaching, the reporting about current or historical events or similar purposes.
(4) If the guilt is of a minor nature, the court may order a discharge under this provision.
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Section 86a
Using symbols of unconstitutional organisations
(1) Whosoever
1.domestically distributes or publicly uses, in a meeting or in writtenmaterials (section 11 (3)) disseminated by him, symbols of one of the parties or organisations indicated in section 86 (1) Nos 1, 2 and 4; or
2.produces, stocks, imports or exports objects which depict or contain such symbols for distribution or use in Germany or abroad in a manner indicated in No 1,
shall be liable to imprisonment of not more than three years or a fine.
(2) Symbols within the meaning of subsection (1) above shall be in particular flags, insignia, uniforms and their parts, slogans and forms of greeting. Symbols which are so similar as to be mistaken for those named in the 1st sentence shall be equivalent to them.
(3) Section 86 (3) and (4) shall apply mutatis mutandis.
- Mark in Cleveland, Tn.
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Is Third Reich era music censored in todays EU and Germany
Did a www search about my question and came up with some strange differences.
Is Third Reich era music,, the military marches, etc censored in todays Germany .I know the National Anthem has different lyrics from the original version 1945 and before, is that version allowed to air? Is there an English language link about my questions somewhere on www?
Is Third Reich era music,, the military marches, etc censored in todays Germany .I know the National Anthem has different lyrics from the original version 1945 and before, is that version allowed to air? Is there an English language link about my questions somewhere on www?
Mark, a search for "Music in Nazi Germany" leads almost directly to the Wiki article:
Music in Nazi Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_in_Nazi_Germany
For a start, both articles are quite informative, and the music-experts here on AHF will share much better material to read
later, for sure...
Das Lied der Deutschen / Deutschlandlied: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandlied
Good luck for your further researches..!
Hans1906
Music in Nazi Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_in_Nazi_Germany
For a start, both articles are quite informative, and the music-experts here on AHF will share much better material to read
later, for sure...
Das Lied der Deutschen / Deutschlandlied: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandlied
Good luck for your further researches..!
Hans1906
The paradise of the successful lends itself perfectly to a hell for the unsuccessful. (Bertold Brecht on Hollywood)
Hello, Mark and Hans1906
Please always check the Topic index before posting, to avoid doubling.
Mark, I've merged your post with an earlier thread dealing with the same issue. Check also the topic National anthems of Germany, and you might find these two interesting as well: Modern recordings/use of Third Reich music and Real Nazi marches played in public today.
Hans1906, as I already appealed, please stop posting links to Wikipedia, which has proven to be an unreliable source.
Cheers,
Ivan
Please always check the Topic index before posting, to avoid doubling.
Mark, I've merged your post with an earlier thread dealing with the same issue. Check also the topic National anthems of Germany, and you might find these two interesting as well: Modern recordings/use of Third Reich music and Real Nazi marches played in public today.
Hans1906, as I already appealed, please stop posting links to Wikipedia, which has proven to be an unreliable source.
Cheers,
Ivan
Hello, andrek
Please check the Topic index and our sticky topics, for example Recommended books on Third Reich music.
Cheers,
Ivan
Please check the Topic index and our sticky topics, for example Recommended books on Third Reich music.
Cheers,
Ivan
- Mark in Cleveland, Tn.
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