Third Reich music banned today

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Third Reich music banned today

Post by mty » 24 Dec 2004 11:34

[Topic renamed & incorrect song lists removed by the host, Ivan Ž.]

Hi!

I would like to try to build up a list of those NS-era songs that are currently (or have been) prohibited to play, either in Germany or some other country.

At least these come to mind (I think singing any of these can cause you serious harm in Germany):

- obvious, heavily national socialist content
- anti-semititic content
- SA/SS songs, other NSDAP-related marches
- songs which promote the ideals of conquering war and glorify German militarism
- associated to Hitler

Please add some more info :)

Merry x-mas!
- Mikko

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Post by nondescript handle » 26 Dec 2004 15:08

Mikko,

All these matters are regulates in the Criminal Code (Strafgesetzbuch) http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/StGB.htm.

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Mark

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Post by behemoth » 30 Apr 2006 18:40

Forgive me if this post is in the wrong place. If so, please move it where it is appropriate. Also, if this has been covered elsewhere does anyone have a link? I now have hundreds of German marches etc, and wouldn't mind posting them for others who've had a hard time finding all of them in one place. Particularily, I note that most of the sites where they are available for download are somewhat unreliable.

The above being said, I've heard that it's risky to share any of the Hitler Era music due to the possibility of modern Germany et. al. prosecuting etc. But if I am in the U.S., why should I worry about that? Or is there some way under international law that they can go after me if one of their citizens gets a song from my site? What a shame that Germany is under such restrictive laws. Do they really worry about all of their people re-embracing Naziism?

Just wondering.....again apologies if I'm in the wrong spot.

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Post by Marcus » 30 Apr 2006 18:53

Third Reich historical items are not illegal in Germany unless used in a political manner.

/Marcus

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Post by MacX » 30 Apr 2006 22:19

there is no problem if you're in the US. Only on German servers it could be problematic.

and yes, German society is paranoid ^^

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Post by nicagaf » 01 May 2006 09:26

and yes, German society is paranoid ^^
Quite right. And the problem is that these laws make people very timid and nervous.

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Post by behemoth » 05 May 2006 05:39

Thank you for your replies.

Dave

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Post by Adam Carr » 27 Aug 2009 10:09

There seems to be a misapprehension here about German law. No songs are forbidden by name. There is a law which makes illegal the public display of all manifestations of Nazi propaganda. Whether the performance of a particular song violates this law is a matter for a court to determine. Obviously performing the Horst Wessel Lied or Deutschland Erwache would be a violation. But most prosecutions these days are for songs which have been newly written by neo-Nazi bands.

Here are the relevant sections of the German Criminal Code:

Section 86

Dissemination of propaganda material of unconstitutional organisations

(1) Whosoever within Germany disseminates or produces, stocks, imports or exports or makes publicly accessible through data storage media for dissemination within Germany or abroad, propaganda material

1.of a political party which has been declared unconstitutional by the Federal Constitutional Court or a political party or organisation which has been held by final decision to be a surrogate organisation of such a party;

2.of an organisation which has been banned by final decision because it is directed against the constitutional order or against the idea of the comity of nations or which has been held by final decision to be a surrogate organisation of such a banned organisation;

3.of a government, organisation or institution outside the Federal Republic of Germany active in pursuing the objectives of one of the parties or organisations indicated in Nos 1 and 2 above; or

4.propaganda materials the contents of which are intended to further the aims of a former National Socialist organisation,

shall be liable to imprisonment of not more than three years or a fine.

(2) Propaganda materials within the meaning of subsection (1) above shall only be written materials (section 11 (3)) the content of which is directed against the free, democratic constitutional order or the idea of the comity of nations.

(3) Subsection (1) above shall not apply if the propaganda materials or the act is meant to serve civil education, to avert unconstitutional movements, to promote art or science, research or teaching, the reporting about current or historical events or similar purposes.

(4) If the guilt is of a minor nature, the court may order a discharge under this provision.

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Section 86a

Using symbols of unconstitutional organisations

(1) Whosoever

1.domestically distributes or publicly uses, in a meeting or in writtenmaterials (section 11 (3)) disseminated by him, symbols of one of the parties or organisations indicated in section 86 (1) Nos 1, 2 and 4; or

2.produces, stocks, imports or exports objects which depict or contain such symbols for distribution or use in Germany or abroad in a manner indicated in No 1,

shall be liable to imprisonment of not more than three years or a fine.

(2) Symbols within the meaning of subsection (1) above shall be in particular flags, insignia, uniforms and their parts, slogans and forms of greeting. Symbols which are so similar as to be mistaken for those named in the 1st sentence shall be equivalent to them.

(3) Section 86 (3) and (4) shall apply mutatis mutandis.

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Is Third Reich era music censored in todays EU and Germany

Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 24 Jan 2021 21:36

Did a www search about my question and came up with some strange differences.
Is Third Reich era music,, the military marches, etc censored in todays Germany .I know the National Anthem has different lyrics from the original version 1945 and before, is that version allowed to air? Is there an English language link about my questions somewhere on www?

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Post by Hans1906 » 25 Jan 2021 10:28

Mark, a search for "Music in Nazi Germany" leads almost directly to the Wiki article:

Music in Nazi Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_in_Nazi_Germany

For a start, both articles are quite informative, and the music-experts here on AHF will share much better material to read
later, for sure... :wink:

Das Lied der Deutschen / Deutschlandlied: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutschlandlied

Good luck for your further researches..!

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 25 Jan 2021 11:34

Hello, Mark and Hans1906

Please always check the Topic index before posting, to avoid doubling.

Mark, I've merged your post with an earlier thread dealing with the same issue. Check also the topic National anthems of Germany, and you might find these two interesting as well: Modern recordings/use of Third Reich music and Real Nazi marches played in public today.

Hans1906, as I already appealed, please stop posting links to Wikipedia, which has proven to be an unreliable source.

Cheers,
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Post by andrek » 25 Jan 2021 12:34

Ivan Ž. wrote:
25 Jan 2021 11:34
Hans1906, as I already appealed, please stop posting links to Wikipedia, which has proven to be an unreliable source.
Could you please post a list of reliable sources? Thank you.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 25 Jan 2021 12:40

Hello, andrek

Please check the Topic index and our sticky topics, for example Recommended reading on Third Reich music.

Cheers,
Ivan

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Post by Mark in Cleveland, Tn. » 25 Jan 2021 17:35

THank you Ivan Z and will open up those links to learn/

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