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Post by Ezboard » 29 Sep 2002 20:06

ziggy wiseman
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(9/25/01 9:53:14 pm)
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One of my friend told me that the song"lili marlene"became Irwin Rommel's favorite after he heard it in 1942 while commanding Africa korp.Anybody knows who was the singer? perhaps Marlene Dietrich...i guess not.

Erik Ettrup
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(9/25/01 10:34:42 pm)
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Marlene Dietrich is right!

Erik E

Zapfenstreich
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(9/25/01 11:11:53 pm)
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Marlene Dietrich has sung, on many occasions, Lil Marleen. However, during WWII, she was, and in many places, still is considered to be a traitor. She made a recording of Lili for the American OSS and it was a big hit with our troops. The favorite German singer was Lale Andersen who recorded the song as early as 1939.

Z

Zapfenstreich
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(9/25/01 11:19:35 pm)
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ingeb.org/Lieder/ichmussh.html

ziggy wiseman
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(9/25/01 11:53:57 pm)
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thanks for the site(many good links too)

Charles
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(9/26/01 12:18:11 am)
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It is very unlikely Marlene Dietrich's version of Lili Marleen was ever heard by Generalfeldmarschall Rommel who died in October 1944. Ms Dietrich's first recording was made later in English, subtitled Lilli of the Lamppost. She enjoyed no popularity in Germany until sometime after World War II and then very little until quite recently. During the war Ms Dietrich entertained American troops in North Africa and Europe, but not with German songs.

The German singer Lale Andersen was well known as die Lili-Marleen-Sängerin. She made a popular recording in August 1941 which was later played daily on the German Soldatensender. It was soon picked up by the Allies and probably somewhat later by Ms Dietrich.


Charles
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(9/26/01 12:23:02 am)
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If Ms Dietrich made a recording for the U.S. forces, it would have very likely been the U.S.O. not the O.S.S.

pdhinkle
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(9/26/01 12:49:49 am)
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As the war in Europe was coming to an end, The wehrmacht was pressed between the Russians and the western allied forces. Perferring to surrender to the west Wehrmacht units carrying white flags moved west. In the North the Brits were trying to stop the Russians from reaching Denmark, so they moved towards the northern area of Germany.
Finally, The Germans forces began to block the roads. The Brits fell out on the sides of the roads to allow the Germans to get thru. About 5-6 May some of the brits began to sing Lili Marlene, then both sides joined in, with many a tear in their eyes.(true story)


Annelie
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(9/26/01 1:11:45 am)
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Interesting story. Thankyou

Annelie

Zapfenstreich
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(9/26/01 6:34:24 am)
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Marlene Dietrich did indeed make a set of recordings for the OSS, not the USO. They were played on allied propoganda broadcasts to German troops much the same way Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose played songs for Allied troops.

I know this for sure. I, at one time had a set of these records in my possession. They included other songs such as "Warum Kommst Du Zu Mir Nur In Der Nacht?", "Mein Mann Ist Verhindert Und Kann Sie Nicht Möglich Sehen", "Dein Fräulein Annie Wohnt Schon Lang Nicht Hier" and the aforesaid "Lili Marleen".

Trust me. This is the truth.

Z

Helly
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(9/26/01 2:10:11 pm)
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Marlene Dietrich sing this song in tha american side. Lale Andersen was the singer in german side.

rogertidy
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(9/26/01 6:46:48 pm)
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The following excerpt about Lili Maleen is taken from "Hitler's Airwaves" (Horst Bergmeier and Rainer Lotz, Yale University Press, 1997) page 188:

"The early days of Radio Belgrade were humble, but promising. A daily newspaper served as the basis of its news script, and it possessed a library of only about sixty gramophone records. Reintgen sought to borrow additional items from the local Viennese Reichssender, but found the people un-cooperative and obtained only records which were either out of date or had been banned by Goebbels. Among these was one that would make itself - and the station - world famours virtually overnight: 'Lili Marleen', suing by Lale Andersen.

Roger Tidy

"Lale Andersen (1908-1972) had originally sung the song, but it was not a commerical success and Andersen remained largely unknown until the summer of 1941. When, for want of anything else, Radio Belgrade repeatedly aired 'Lili Marleen', German and Allied troops alike responded to its melancholic melody of love and loss. When Reintgen, seeking variety, sought to drop the song from the statin's programmes, letters of protest came in from listeners all over Europe. He ruled that 'Lili Marleen' was to be played only once daily, as the station signed off at 22.00 hours.

"Goebbels himself disapproved of the song, saying it had a 'cadaverous smell', and Hinkel once described it as 'defeatist chirping which tends to undermine the fighting spirit of German soldiers'. In the summer of 1942, after the Gestapo had intercepted a letter from Andersen to a friend in Switzerland, the composer Rolf Liebermann, asking for help in arranging her escape from German, Goebbels banned the song and prohibited Andersen from performing in public. But owing to the song's immense popularity, the ban was largely ignored: Radio Belgrade still ran it when going off the air, and Andersen recorded it, with Charlie Schwedler, for none other than the PromMi's (Propaganda Ministry's) own clarinet and & mandoline label. Parodies of the song, with seditious lyrics, circulated in Germany, and after Stalingrad the BBC broadcast the emigree cabaret artist Lucie Mannheim singing her version in German".

Notes: The official title of Radio Belgrade was "Soldatensender Belgrade". Reintgen, mentioned above, was a senior manager at the station; Hans Hinkel was Commissioner for the Radio Entertainment Sector at Goebbel's ministry. It is also worth noting that the Nazis recorded an English version of the song for their radio propaganda directed at the allies. That version was written by the British traitor Norman Baillie-Stewart, who was jailed for his activities after the war.

Luis E Suarez
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(9/26/01 7:20:40 pm)
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Norbert Schultze composed Lili Marlene’s music with lyrics by Hans Leip. Schultze asked Lale Andersen to sing the song but Lale didn't accept. Under Schultze insistence, she later sung the song in a radio program and the ball started rolling. As rogertidy says, Radio Belgrado broadcasted Lili Marlene to Africa. It is said that they was short of popular records at the moment. I wish to add also that Gen. Rommel surely heard the song. I don't know if he liked music or not but Rommel knew what his soldiers did and liked on duty and on leave.

Marlene Dietrich, was utilized by US and Allies for propaganda purposes. That’s why her Lili Marlene recording was later shipped to Africa too. Does the British like that version as much as they liked the original by Lale Andersen? Not the Germans or Italians, for sure. Am I wrong?

Was Marlene Dietrich a traitor or a spy? That's a mystery, maybe she was neither a traitor nor a spy, but for sure one of her main interests was to chase women in Hollywood.

I prefer Lale Andersen original:

exordio.com/realaudio/lilimarleneLA.ram
exordio.com/realaudio/lilimarlene.ram

ziggy wiseman
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(9/27/01 5:35:04 pm)
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So,was Marlene Dietrich a u.s. agent?

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