Misc FJ units in Holland, 1944

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Misc FJ units in Holland, 1944

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Post by Tom Peters » 14 Oct 2008, 13:13

After reading through the Analgen (KTB) for the LXXXVIII corps (T314, R1626, 63289/5), I noted the presence of a number of small Fj units in Sept/Oct that I cant find much information on. Anyone know anything about the following units (Nafziger and Tessin arent much help):

Fj. Btl. Bloch (as of early Oct, had 768 men)
Fj. Btl. Ewald
Fj. Btl. Jungwirth (not the regiment with his name in 1945 - as of early Oct, had 585 men)
Fj. Btl. Stephan
Fj. Btl. Finsel (another name for I./2 FJR ?)
Fj. Regt. Grassmaher (I suspect this unit has 2 similar sounding names)
Fj Regt. Huber (part of Div. Erdmann)
Fj Regt. Loydwid (Loywid ?)

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Re: misc Fj units in Holland, 1944

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Post by Bernd R » 16 Oct 2008, 20:14

Tom,

it's me again :) the names of the rgts. are sounding strange to me.
Aren't they commonly known as (?) [per Tessin, and you can look everywhere else]
- FJR Grossmehl (FJR 20 later)
- FJR Hübner (FJR 24 later)
- FJR Laytved-Hardegg (I. and II. FJR 21 later)
all part of FJD Erdmann, which was formed in Aug/Sep 44 around Bitsch.

One hint / detail about Rgt. Hübner : Knight's Cross for
Lipp, Hans-Hermann 31.10.1944 Hauptmann Btl-Fhr im Fsch.Jäg.Rgt „Hübner“
-> KIA 10 Sep 1944 at the Albertkanal eastwards Antwerpen (per Scherzer)

One thing I stumbled upon several times - here again - which is really strange, too. Never investigated this in depth, maybe someone here now ?
This Rgt. Grassmaher / Grossmehl
I., II. Btl., redesignated FJR 20 later ; action at VENLO then
wasn't it commanded by Oberstleutnant Franz Graßmehl ? FJR 20 was.
It always appears as "Grossmehl" - is this an error of history ? The clerks ?

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Bernd


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Re: misc Fj units in Holland, 1944

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Post by Tom Peters » 17 Oct 2008, 03:42

I pulled the names directly from the PDF file someone made from the LXXXVIII corps KTB. However, I suspect some of the names change sometimes and they may not represent exact spellings.

THese units are found in the KTB, which is why its surprising as I hadnt heard of many of them before. I suspect that many of the named units ("Bloch", for example) are simply names of the Btl. commander of a unit already in my list, and are thus, really a duplicate.

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Re: misc Fj units in Holland, 1944

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Post by A.C.E. van T. » 17 Oct 2008, 13:52

Hi,

Look at topic Luftwaffe , than Fallschirmjäger and other etc... than "Aufstellung 1. Fallschirm-Armee" at this forum.

Stephan was send to the rear and became , I believe II/FJR.6
Finzel is I. /FJR. 2
Both part of Kampfgruppe Chill
Also in KGr. Chill Fallschirmjäger Ersatz- und Ausbildungs-Rgt. "Hermann Göring" , later with other H.G trainingunits and heer units to form "Hermann Göring" Division (so called "ghost division" then the orginal H.G. Divison was during that time at the Ostfront)

greetings A.C.E.
Tom Peters wrote:After reading through the Analgen (KTB) for the LXXXVIII corps (T314, R1626, 63289/5), I noted the presence of a number of small Fj units in Sept/Oct that I cant find much information on. Anyone know anything about the following units (Nafziger and Tessin arent much help):

Fj. Btl. Bloch (as of early Oct, had 768 men)
Fj. Btl. Ewald
Fj. Btl. Jungwirth (not the regiment with his name in 1945 - as of early Oct, had 585 men)
Fj. Btl. Stephan
Fj. Btl. Finsel (another name for I./2 FJR ?)
Fj. Regt. Grassmaher (I suspect this unit has 2 similar sounding names)
Fj Regt. Huber (part of Div. Erdmann)
Fj Regt. Loydwid (Loywid ?)

thanks,

Mad Dog

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Post by Tom Peters » 18 Oct 2008, 07:02

Thanks Ace. When you say "stephen was sent to the rear" you mean the whole unit, or just Stephen, who brought up the
II/6 FJR ?

Its difficult to follow the threads with all these odd Battalions.....

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Post by Fallschirmjäger » 18 Oct 2008, 12:56

Tom maybe you have seen these sites or not?,they may help a bit.

http://www.ww2.dk/
Click on ground units and then Parachute units (Fallschirm),lots there.


http://web.archive.org/web/200505080328 ... arnhem.htm
Fallschirmjäger in Holland September 1944 Neerpelt-Nijmegen.

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Post by Tom Peters » 18 Oct 2008, 20:40

Bernd, I found a previous post from you (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &sk=t&sd=a)

> Fsch.Jäg.Rgt „von Hoffmann“ :
I. , II. Btl ; strength: 900 (armament: 4 x 20L 113 FL Vierling)
Panzerjäger-Kompanie (armament: 11 x 75L 46 PaK 40)

Do you have any other information which might specify if each Btl had 900 men, or the regiment in total had 900 men ?

I still have very little information on unit strength and equipment other than what I found before. I am hoping further archival documents on LXXXVIII corps will help spell this out.

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Post by Tom Peters » 18 Oct 2008, 22:33

Fallschirmjäger, those are very good sites, which I regularly check. However they have no further information.

alright, from further searches, it looks like FJ Regt. Hoffmann consisted of Btl. Kerutt and Btl. Stephen and a PAK Co.

I found one refeence to "Bloch" as a Btl. commander in Fj. A-u-E Regt 3, so he is probably the same guy in Btl. Bloch.

All said, I have very little info on personnel count or equipment.

One more odd Fj unit in the anlagen: Fj.Btl.Duchstein or Tuchstein. Anyone hear of this ?

thanks,

Tom

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Re: misc Fj units in Holland, 1944

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Post by ddj » 19 Oct 2008, 10:30

Dear Tom,

I could tell you a lot, but since I am writing a book which is going to be published next year I prefer to keep 'schtumm' for the time being. Next year I will reveal all... I would like to say, however, that it is Tuchstein, not Duchstein, and that Huber was a major in 59 ID, not in a FJR. The other names do, indeed, refer to the commanding officers.

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Post by Bernd R » 19 Oct 2008, 11:44

Tom,

sorry, not more, the Rgt. von Hoffmann data was quoted from pegasusarchive.org

ddj,

full respect for "schtumm" :) but it sounds promising and fascinating.

Just this point and a try.
You are saying that
Fj. Regt. Grassmaher (I suspect this unit has 2 similar sounding names)
Fj Regt. Huber (part of Div. Erdmann)
Fj Regt. Loydwid (Loywid ?)
are not
FJR Grossmehl (FJR 20 later)
- FJR Hübner (FJR 24 later)
- FJR Laytved-Hardegg (I. and II. FJR 21 later)
all part of FJD Erdmann, which was formed in Aug/Sep 44 around Bitsch
so we are speaking of different unit ?

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Post by Tom Peters » 19 Oct 2008, 20:04

I mis-spoke about "Huber". I meant to say "Hubner".

DDJ, your book is about all the FJ units in Holland 1944 ? What can you tell us about what you are covering ? Is it English language ? If you are interested, I have individual text files on each FJ unit that appears in the LXXXVIII and LXXXI KTB docs containing all the info I have gathered. I also have some of the anlagen for LXXXVIII corps, as well as the Herrsgroup B and LXXXI KTB for September (in PDF format - I wish I knew who made them - very handy).

Regiment armaments: It is said that the alarm regiments of Erdmann had no heavy weapons. Does anyone know if they still had a normal complement of machineguns and mortars ?

Odd fact: The LXXXI KTB makes reference to the II./Greve being in the Aachen area until Sept 30.

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Post by Fallschirmjäger » 21 Oct 2008, 05:24

A FJ book on there time in holland at this time would be great,1945 too of course,and like the later war more too,but maybe even there time there in 1940 i wonder too?.

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Post by Bernd R » 21 Oct 2008, 12:42

It appears that some topics in the forum (here, Heer&W-SS, ABR [FJ Köhne at Gheel]) are treating Sep 1944 and Belgium and Holland and I'm in touch with several for various reasons.

So, slowly, step-by-step there has to be to dig out more, and Yes, the forum is not empty.

Found this thread about I./FJR 2 , Kdr. : Major Oskar Finzel
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 3&t=135973

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Post by Bernd R » 21 Oct 2008, 12:51

Huber / Hubner , hm, if a native english speaker compiled those Anlagen file in 99% of the cases it is to read "Hübner" (in german). My experience.

This one about Fallschirmjäger-Regiment Hübner but covers a time period later.

Bernd

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Post by Tom Peters » 21 Oct 2008, 13:17

I wish I knew where to find more info. Would it be in the Wehrkreis files ? Luftwaffe files ? Or maybe in LXXXVIII files ? Te anlagen data (of the KTB file) I have on hand have only snippets of information on some of these units.

DDJ: dont be shy ! Tell us more, please.

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