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Fake or original?

Post by Yakima Joe » 08 Jun 2021 05:18

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I purchased these in the late 50’s. I was told the lightning bolt pin was a gold SS Party pin but don’t believe it. Ideas?
I believe the cross sword medal is original but the clasp pin looks to have been replaced at some time. Your thoughts please.
I’ve been collecting since childhood. Got hooked from all the German/Nazi souvenirs my dad brought home.
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Re: Fake or original?

Post by Hans1906 » 08 Jun 2021 12:56

Yakima Joe,

the photos are to small, sorry, the "Kriegsverdienstkreuz mit Schwertern 1.Klasse 1939", the needle looks different from
the original "Steinhauer & Lück" (Lüdenscheid) example, from the estate of my grandfather.
Awarded about 140.000 times before 1945...

Kriegsverdienstkreuz mit Schwertern 1.Klasse 1939 https://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/zweit ... tfertigten.
Wiki (G) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsver ... euz_(1939)

The SS needle / pin, no idea, to me a pure fantasy item in very bad "quality". :?


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Re: Fake or original?

Post by HPL2008 » 08 Jun 2021 15:41

As said above, the SS pin is a fantasy piece. Its obverse is modelled on the design of the buttons for the SS evening dress [Abendgesellschaftsanzug]

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Re: Fake or original?

Post by Hans1906 » 08 Jun 2021 19:07

Thanks HPL, the former called "Abendgesellschaftsanzug" would be another topic...

38.000,- for a "Allgemeine-SS - Abend Gesellschaftsjackett aus dem Besitz eines SS-Obersturmbannführers im Stab Reichsführung-SS"
is a number...

https://www.weitze.net/militaria/11/All ... _287011.ht

Interesting the former "Ärmelband", in question in another earlier topic...

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Re: Fake or original?

Post by Yakima Joe » 08 Jun 2021 21:11

Thanks for your help with the fake SS pin. Not sure what to do with it I won’t display it. Below are better pics of the second pin. I hope they will suffice to determine weather the piece is original or fake. Or, a replacement pin.
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Re: Fake or original?

Post by von thoma » 09 Jun 2021 00:30

Sorry, but that KVK first class it's a copy
" The right to believe is the right of those who don't know "

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Re: Fake or original?

Post by Yakima Joe » 09 Jun 2021 15:57

WOW, they were faking these things back in the 50’s? I bought 3 other pieces from the same shop. Maybe I should post them as well for the forums review.
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Re: Fake or original?

Post by Yakima Joe » 09 Jun 2021 21:20

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I hope I have better luck with this one. It is my favorite. Is it another fake???
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Re: Fake or original?

Post by matthew4108 » 10 Jun 2021 17:57

The above tinnie looks original to my untrained eye. Also, You should take better photos of the SS pin/button (both sides) if possible.

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Re: Fake or original?

Post by Yakima Joe » 11 Jun 2021 06:22

Thanks. I appreciate the help. I will take better photos of the SS pin but I gm have been told Irma fake.

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Re: Fake or original?

Post by Yakima Joe » 11 Jun 2021 06:40

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The photos as you requested.
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Re: Fake or original?

Post by Hans1906 » 11 Jun 2021 09:12

About the above "Braunschweig 1931" Abzeichen, I am not sure ?

Link: https://www.google.com/search?q=braunsc ... 00&bih=759

Excellent reproductions and fakes are on the market, hundreds of them, in almost every "Quality"... :roll:


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Re: Fake or original?

Post by Yakima Joe » 11 Jun 2021 20:47

Is mine fake?

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