Blood Order: real or very,very good fake?
Blood Order: real or very,very good fake?
Hi guys,
what do you think about this medal? Its measurements are: weight 29,29 gr, diameter 40,50 mm and edge height from 3,36 mm to 2,97. The ring is marked L/58.
Thanks
Val
what do you think about this medal? Its measurements are: weight 29,29 gr, diameter 40,50 mm and edge height from 3,36 mm to 2,97. The ring is marked L/58.
Thanks
Val
DanCz & Martin are correct, it's no good, but it has fooled many a collector in the past. L/58 is Souval's postwar marking, he didn't make them durning the 3rd Reich period, it does lack the details as noted, and the only way a 2nd type would have that low a number would be as a replacement for a lost early award (did happen). Being such a rare item, you may want to keep it for display and as a "good" (better than most) copy it does have modest value, but unfortunately nothing like an original.
John G.
Mainemilitaria USA
John G.
Mainemilitaria USA
According to Angolia F&F Vol. 2 (Political & Civil) Fuess delivered 20,000 of the 1st Pattern. (Were they numbered at the factory or when issued?) Of course the number actually awarded (of the 1st type) was considerably smaller, the total awarded for both types is estimated at under 6,000 (I wonder why they made a 2nd production run and what happened to the missing medals.....it's not like there are wearing copies or many known unnumbered originals (there are a few of these, supposedly) for people who needed more than one. I was thinking the 1st issue ran alittle higher numberwise, I stand corrected. Guess I should check before I run my mouth....
Worth noteing, last known award was in 1942 to Reinhard Heydrich (posthumously) and the serial number is of the award, not the members Party number.
John G.
Mainemilitaria USA
Worth noteing, last known award was in 1942 to Reinhard Heydrich (posthumously) and the serial number is of the award, not the members Party number.
John G.
Mainemilitaria USA
The highest number Blood Order I have seen was in the 4300 range.
I too have often wondered what happened to the remainder of the original Fuess pure silver striking - perhaps they were smelted down. The "second strike" was made from .800 silver which is much more durable and hard wearing.
I was told that unnumbered Blood Orders were those posthumously awarded - I am not altogether persuaded by this suggestion however.
I too have often wondered what happened to the remainder of the original Fuess pure silver striking - perhaps they were smelted down. The "second strike" was made from .800 silver which is much more durable and hard wearing.
I was told that unnumbered Blood Orders were those posthumously awarded - I am not altogether persuaded by this suggestion however.
If a Blood Order medal has a serial # of 1 462, is that medal 1462 or is the 1 for "series one", medal 462? Or, is the space between the 1 and 4 just a mistake?
I'm no expert, but I've been studying some good close-ups of the Blood Order medals quite a bit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I immediately thought the medal shown above was a reproduction by the shape of the letter "N" in Nov. on the obverse side. The authentic medals have what seems to be a shorter or more squat, almost square look to it. Thanks, Hexar
I'm no expert, but I've been studying some good close-ups of the Blood Order medals quite a bit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I immediately thought the medal shown above was a reproduction by the shape of the letter "N" in Nov. on the obverse side. The authentic medals have what seems to be a shorter or more squat, almost square look to it. Thanks, Hexar
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Hello,
The one posted isn't even close and it should be known that the LDO code should not be on the suspension ring.
Here is a first and second pattern for sale at the moment:
http://www.craiggottlieb.com/data/inspect.asp?Item=1508
http://www.craiggottlieb.com/data/inspect.asp?Item=1627
William Kramer
The one posted isn't even close and it should be known that the LDO code should not be on the suspension ring.
Here is a first and second pattern for sale at the moment:
http://www.craiggottlieb.com/data/inspect.asp?Item=1508
http://www.craiggottlieb.com/data/inspect.asp?Item=1627
William Kramer