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FRIENDS, COLLECTORES AND FORUM MEMBERS LEND ME YOUR EAR

Post by WCSTUMP » 15 Apr 2002 15:57

This SS Dinner Dress devise is probably one of the only original and documented pieces of its kind to have survived the war and is in one of the most prestigious uniform collections in the world. to give everyone a little background about this item I must refer you to the Ribbentrop orders and medals thread posted here on the forum. When I purchased that ultra rare collection from my late friend James Atwood, he had all the uniforms, dress dagger and even Ribbentrop's special presentation SS cuff links. He obtained, as stated in my article, ALL this from Colonel Howard Goldsmith. Again as stated in the article how Col. Goldsmith managed to acquire all the personal property that belonged to the Nazi Foreign Minister is outlined there also. I did not collect uniforms when offered the entire Ribbentrop collection nor could I have afforded the price for the entire collection either. Jim allowed me to purchase just the orders and medals and to purchase an item or two from the uniforms which I did and traded to a friend. I will post the photograph of all these uniforms that was taken right after Goldsmith acquired them later today. I am sure the uniform collectors will drool over this great hoard of one of a kind uniforms assembled together prior to the collection being broken up.

Now for this devise. The ultra high quality of the jeweler's art can still be seen today in the lovely silver frosting that remains on this item until today. The red eyes, of course is not red paint are illusions made by red felt behind the main body of the devise that has the "eye sockets" of the skull cut out. The besmirching remarks made about this piece are not only an insult to me, but to the present owner and to the readers of this post.

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Re: FRIENDS, COLLECTORES AND FORUM MEMBERS LEND ME YOUR EAR

Post by R. J. Kimmel » 15 Apr 2002 17:03

WCSTUMP wrote:This SS Dinner Dress devise is probably one of the only original and documented pieces of its kind to have survived the war and is in one of the most prestigious uniform collections in the world. to give everyone a little background about this item I must refer you to the Ribbentrop orders and medals thread posted here on the forum. When I purchased that ultra rare collection from my late friend James Atwood, he had all the uniforms, dress dagger and even Ribbentrop's special presentation SS cuff links. He obtained, as stated in my article, ALL this from Colonel Howard Goldsmith. Again as stated in the article how Col. Goldsmith managed to acquire all the personal property that belonged to the Nazi Foreign Minister is outlined there also. I did not collect uniforms when offered the entire Ribbentrop collection nor could I have afforded the price for the entire collection either. Jim allowed me to purchase just the orders and medals and to purchase an item or two from the uniforms which I did and traded to a friend. I will post the photograph of all these uniforms that was taken right after Goldsmith acquired them later today. I am sure the uniform collectors will drool over this great hoard of one of a kind uniforms assembled together prior to the collection being broken up.

Now for this devise. The ultra high quality of the jeweler's art can still be seen today in the lovely silver frosting that remains on this item until today. The red eyes, of course is not red paint are illusions made by red felt behind the main body of the devise that has the "eye sockets" of the skull cut out. The besmirching remarks made about this piece are not only an insult to me, but to the present owner and to the readers of this post.


Hmmm... again, more pictures of something that you no longer own! Hearsay on how you allegidly obtained this rare collection! No proof of purchase! Where are the items today? James Atwater has passed on, unable to confirm selling these items to you! The only frosting that this may be good on would be an artifical cake! Still no photographs of the revese?

Two thumbs down on this one!!!

Richard

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backing

Post by RF HONTS » 15 Apr 2002 17:43

Richard,

This piece has what is called "provience"...but you have been collecting for a long time and know this...correct?

The piece, as Stump says, resides in D. Delich's collection. It once belonged to Joachim V. Ribbentropp, and is photoed still attached to his uniform. It is ORIGINAL...not a fake, reproduction, knock-off, etc. etc.

If you give this piece "two thumbs down" Richard, then it is showing your knowledge on the subject. If you think this one is bad, then yours must be made of lead?

Roger

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THE RIBBENTROP COLLECTION LEGACY

Post by WCSTUMP » 15 Apr 2002 18:03

The SS Dinner Dress uniform with the special devise was never owned by me. As per how I obtained the Ribbentrop collection from my late friend James P. Atwood is a matter of record and know by the collecting community. Photographs of the medals when I owned them are in many respected reference books. Mr. Atwood (not ATWATER) is on record as being the owner of this great collection of uniforms, dagger, and orders and decorations. The record will show, in a featured article in the November issue of SAGA magazine, which I have in my reference collection today, tells the story of how then Lt. Col. James P. Atwood acquired the medals from the G. I. who "liberated them during the war. he also tells the story of how Col. Howard Goldsmith of College Station, Texas, managed to acquire the most prestigious war booty find in the field of orders and medals that is on record from the W. W. II period. The items are scattered all over the collecting world as I broke the collection up in the late 1960's. the SS Dinner Dress uniform, as said earlier in the collection of Dave Delich, long time collector.

Now, if Mr. Kimmel will cease besmirching this thread and running his mouth like a bell clapper in a goose's arse spewing out venomous nonsense I will continue with this thread by posting a photograph of all the Ribbentrop uniforms.

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please continue

Post by RF HONTS » 15 Apr 2002 18:07

Please continue William in this matter. I can GUARANTEE you that no one will disturb this forum and longer. If I have to delete every members posting I will to keep order here.

Thank you, now please continue......

Roger

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THE UNIFORMS OF RIBBENTROP

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Post by Marcus » 15 Apr 2002 18:17

Very nice, thanks for sharing that photo.

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Post by Marcus » 15 Apr 2002 18:23

A reply in violation of the guidelines was removed.

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Post by R. J. Kimmel » 16 Apr 2002 15:36

Hmmm... to some the b&w photo, not being critically sharp, may prove of value, however it and all that has been said of Col. Goldsmith proves to me that he must have been the biggest thief in the military to have "liberated" his vast array of food for the hungry, unsuspecting collectors of the world.

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IGNORANCE AND ANOTHER FALSE ACCUSATION PERSONIFIED

Post by WCSTUMP » 16 Apr 2002 17:08

The factual story of how a young Captain of the 44th Division came to acquire the personal effects of Foreign Minister J. von Ribbentrop in late 1945 is an exciting story in itself. The young Captain was not a "military thief", but was granted permission to keep the person effects by his superior because he not only liberated these items from the Foreign Minister, but a hoard of stolen art treasures and other valuable items Ribbentrop had stored and planed to escape with into Switzerland. The good Captain made a complete list of the stolen treasures, of which the original list in now in my files, which was valued in the millions of dollars at the time. Also liberated were several file cases containing German government records and were turned offer to American Intelligence agents. these documents were later used as evidence at the Nuremberg war trials. Therefore, if "Capt. Kangaroo" will cease his besmirching and typical insulting remarks about a true American Hero, and the members request to hear the exciting story, I will be more than glad to relate the true and factual story based on the facts and personal first hand information from interviews of the late Colonel Howard Goldsmith and Lt. Col. James P. Atwood.

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Post by Marcus » 16 Apr 2002 17:11

William,

I for one am very interested in hearing more about these events.

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I WILL POST UNDER THE RIBBENTROP MEDALS THREAD

Post by WCSTUMP » 16 Apr 2002 17:24

I will post this story soon under the Ribbentrop medals thread, here or either place you suggest.

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Post by Marcus » 16 Apr 2002 17:39

William,

You are of course correct, the Ribbentrop thread is a much better place to post it in.

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IT SHALL BE DONE

Post by WCSTUMP » 16 Apr 2002 17:45

I will post soon on that thread.

Thanks.

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