Danzig Cross

[matthew4108]

The ribbon querry has been resolved: - Spanish - Red Military Merit Cross period 1930's.

Wishful thinking. It is a ribbon from the medal mentioned by Raz as shown by the typical mounting pinhole on the ribbon. Among other signs

[WAR LORD]

An interesting thought. History the cross was obtained in 1945 - 50 by an English Officer who was in the Austria southern German district. Allied control administration. So 1957 seems a bit of a long shot. But worth considering. The officer amazed a great quanty of awards some EARLY SOUVAL.

[matthew4108]

The story is just as fake as the cross.

[WAR LORD]

How do you know the story is a fake? Strong words that would need verryfying .

[matthew4108]

You made a claim, you prove your story.

[WAR LORD]

The story comes from the owner who was the inheritor of the estate. His name is J Cross of Newmarket. I will put your comment to them. I am sure they will be impressed with your unsubstanciated statement.I can say no more.

[matthew4108]

Ah, a militaria dealer. Of course. So that is your proof? Because the guy is J. Cross?

I like the section of his website titled 'list of conmen'. Should ask them if they plan on creating stolen SA daggers database.

[WAR LORD]

Do not see the relavence. But I am sure you can ask him. He is very obliging I have known him for about 40 years.

[matthew4108]

So in other words- there is no proof, other than you or someone else saying so.
It's what I thought.

[WAR LORD]

Again I do not follow you. Mr Cross obtained them from the family. The "Story" is direct the guy as I understand t was there amazed items, married an Austrian Lady returned to the UK IN 1949 - 50.BUT THE BIG QUESTION WAS WHAT MIGHT THE RIBBON BE. Not storys fakes just simple.

[matthew4108]

Unless Mr. Cross obtained the piece from the family in 1945, the story makes little difference. And whats the difference what the ribbon is? (Not that you were not told what it was anyways). The cross is a cast fake. The fact there were some 'amazing items' does does not make this piece legit.

Another case of trying to make a fake piece real by association.

There is a reason you were given the piece as a fake. It's because it is a fake. If it makes you feel better because the piece came with some legit pieces- good for you. Still a fake.

[WAR LORD]

Again I think I am losing "the plot" this is not mine. It was sent to me to look at. Use as a Fake. However the pieces is not cast, it is die struck.
As a guide the measurements I have of cross's are: -

Cross with raised B v A. Hulsa - Berlin
Width 35mm
height 42 mm
Emblem height 33 mm
Cross with incused B v A. Hulsa - Berlin
Width 36mm
height 43 mm
Emblem height 33 mm

Cross un marked
Width 37 mm
height 43 mm
Emblem height 32 mm

Considered Fake
Width 36 mm
height 45 mm
Emblem height 33 mm
This leads one to concider that it was not cast from these other design cross's.

Another cross for conciderstion.

[matthew4108]

Again I think I am losing "the plot" this is not mine. It was sent to me to look at. Use as a Fake. However the pieces is not cast, it is die struck.
As a guide the measurements I have of cross's are: -

See this line running across the crown at 11 o'clock? I's present on all silvered cast copies. It is present on your cross as well.
As for sizes- Hulse produced several different DC2s- possibly 4, using different dies and that's just Hulse. Then there are other manufacturers.

[WAR LORD]

The ribbon question, it is interesting to see this vet of the Spanish Civil War wearing the ribbon in his button hole.

[bibon]

I've just bought 1st Class example from Hermann Historica and it has no maker stamp on the reverse. Now I'm worried I threw my money away, though it's a reputable dealer. What's your judgement, guys?