Himmler's Honor Ring

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Himmler's Honor Ring

Post by Emerson Begolly » 18 Feb 2003 19:32

What ever became of Heinrich Himmler's SS Honor Ring?

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Post by Oktobermann » 19 Feb 2003 03:15

Could one not make an educated assumption it remains with the Himmler family?
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Post by Kurt Steiner » 19 Feb 2003 09:25

More likely than not when he attempted escape in May 1945, his last concern would be for a ring ....which probably met the same fate as his uniform.

Why else do you think he was wearing those snappy threads when he was captured :wink:

I think by then self preservation was more important to him than a piece of jewelery that was the equivlant to holding a sign saying " I'm SS "!

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Post by Oktobermann » 20 Feb 2003 22:42

I am not quite clear where you are coming from. At the checkpoint where Himmler was captured and subsequently committed suicide by cyanide, was wearing a policeman's uniform, which of course was part of the SS. Some policeman's uniforms also bore the SS runes sewn onto the front pocket, others the police emblem on the sleeve with the correct coloured piping.

Hitler had ordered Himmler's arrest when it was made known by him that Himmler was fleeing and I do not believe his departure was on an impulse but was well planned out. Where he changed his uniform I personally do not know, but it would make sense to remove his ring and all other papers. Himmler like many others had more than one uniform and more than one set of awards for wear. Himmler's parade medal set is shown in John Angolia's book "For Führer & Fatherland."

It is doubtful though, that he had duplicate rings. I still believe though, he would have made the effort to say goodbye to his family and if possible making the change at his home. On his uniform would have been his Blood Order Medal, Golden Party Badge, Luftwaffe Combined Pilot's and Observer's Badge in Gold with Diamonds (Honourary), and late in the war the HJ badge, but I don't remember for sure.

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Post by Kurt Steiner » 21 Feb 2003 03:31

No one can say what exactly was going through Himmler's mind other than the fear of trying to escape from his former master and the allies. For me, it wouldn't make sense for him to go home .... the chance of being captured would be too great. It would make more sense to make contact with his family once he was in a safe location.

As for his elusive Honor Ring .... we may never know what became of it like many other relics of the Third Reich.

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Post by Oktobermann » 21 Feb 2003 04:37

Very True, very true....

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Post by Brig » 21 Feb 2003 05:51

it's like asking whatever became of Rommel's goggles?

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Post by don » 21 Feb 2003 13:49

Did I read some where when a SS member died the family had to return the
Ring to the SS? Loved ones could not keep the rings. The rings were put in
a castle?

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Post by Raz » 21 Feb 2003 14:41

That's correct, if a recipient of the HR was KIA, died, retired or was discharged from the SS, the ring had to be returned to Wewelsburg castle.

http://www.wewelsburg.de

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Post by Kurt Steiner » 21 Feb 2003 17:41

An interesting note is that as the allies began to close in on Wewelsberg castle, Himmler gave orders that the honor rings were never to fall into their hands, and these treasured items were blast sealed into the side of the nearby mountain.

As far as I know, to this date ..... the rings have never been located.

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Post by Macmedal » 21 Feb 2003 18:30

Kurt is right, as so many of the original recipients had been killed in action the majority of the rings had been returned to Himmlers HQ.

There location is unknown to this day.

That is why there are so few original rings in circulation today.

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Post by Macmedal » 21 Feb 2003 18:30

Kurt is right, as so many of the original recipients had been killed in action the majority of the rings had been returned to Himmlers HQ.

Their location is unknown to this day.

That is why there are so few original rings in circulation today.

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Post by Raz » 21 Feb 2003 18:32

This blast sealing story is based on very shaky ground with many people disputing the authenticity
of this claim. The story was supposedly started by the Scottish author Robin Lumsden.

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Post by Macmedal » 21 Feb 2003 22:57

Raz

There were according to Dan Boyle around 20,000 rings awarded. About 18,000 were believed to have been returned to Wewelsburg Castle on Himmlers orders.

Not sure on the Lumsden blast theory, but they must have been well hidden or more likely destroyed ?

Only 200 were found by the liberating allies in the castle itself.

This leaves around 2,000 still out there, of which who knows how many are still in existence in collections ? And as for the 17,800 odd who knows !!

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Post by don » 22 Feb 2003 05:27

What is the going price of a original ring ? Was there diferent makers like
medals?
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