Simplified German combat decorations?

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Simplified German combat decorations?

Post by Sufyan Hadi » 21 Oct 2020 11:55

Hellmuth Weidling seems to wear a heavily flattened version of the German Cross in Gold. Did the Wehrmacht begin heavily economizing on medals in the last phase of the war to such an extent that the appearance began looking - well, generally bootleggy or fake?

If so, I'd like to hear known examples.

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Re: Simplified German combat decorations?

Post by Hans1906 » 21 Oct 2020 13:41

Sufyan,

I am aware about german "handmade" decorations like the "Ritterkreuz", given to the awarded person onboard a german
U-Boot for example, while to boat was still in duty, offshore, before the official awarding ceremony later...

For sure there are some photos about these "decorations" here in the forum.
At the fronts handmade arm shields "Ärmelschild" are also known, but I am not an expert about decorations at all.

More answers will follow, for sure...

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Re: Simplified German combat decorations?

Post by Sufyan Hadi » 21 Oct 2020 13:50

German Crosses in their prime look to jut out from the uniform a small bit, but Weidling's one looks unnaturally flush with the uniform.

Would insert a picture but don't know to do so.

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Re: Simplified German combat decorations?

Post by Hans1906 » 21 Oct 2020 15:44

Sufyan,

you are probably reffering about the stitched version of the "Deutsches Kreuz", g: "gestickte Ausführung".

Read more: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Kreuz
There is an excellent photo of the "gestickte Ausführung" in the Wikipedia article.

I am not really sure, what you were talking about, but the original stitched versions are very rare.


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Re: Simplified German combat decorations?

Post by Sufyan Hadi » 21 Oct 2020 16:11

Why award a stitched version when the genuine article could've worked? Besides he earned it in 1942, before the war fully turned against Germany and its resources.

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Re: Simplified German combat decorations?

Post by Hans1906 » 21 Oct 2020 16:19

No idea, you..?

Probably he was wearing the "Deutsches Kreuz" on his final combat uniform, who will ever know..?

He was awarded the decoration, enough said!

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Re: Simplified German combat decorations?

Post by Waleed Y. Majeed » 21 Oct 2020 18:16

So not to damage the original in battle. Stitched versions were allowed/issued according to a OKW notification of June 5, 1942.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Orden/dk.html

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Re: Simplified German combat decorations?

Post by Hans1906 » 21 Oct 2020 19:01

Waleed,

I am not aware about the decorations of General Weidling, but remember the scenes in "Downfall", german actor Michael Mendl performing
as the General Weidling.

Helmuth Weidling https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_Weidling

Weidling died in a russian war prisoner camp, 1955.

The details about his former decorations are, sorry, not important at all, related to the history of the person Helmuth Weidling.

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Re: Simplified German combat decorations?

Post by HPL2008 » 22 Oct 2020 17:10

Sufyan Hadi wrote:
21 Oct 2020 16:11
Why award a stitched version when the genuine article could've worked? Besides he earned it in 1942, before the war fully turned against Germany and its resources.
It had nothing to do with resources.

The German cross was big, heavy, had a multi-pointed outline and an enamelled central device. Not at all a practical award to wear while lying prone on the ground, running through a submarine or sitting in the confined spaces of a tank or fighter cockpit, as it inevitably snagged and was damaged.

Hence, it was soon authorized for wear in a much more practical embroidered cloth version to be used with field uniforms. It supplemented, but did not replace the metal version, which was still worn with service dress.

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