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Recent acquisition of WW1 'Sanitater und Musiker'' E.K.II Group

Post by dpast32 » 29 May 2021 20:53

Hello Gentlemen, I've recently obtained what I feel is an interesting little WW1 Imperial German Medal & Documents Group, & would be extremely interested in learning something about the recipient. I am especially interested in determining the 'exact' spelling of his surname, as its spelled out in the older style, Germanic script, of which I am totally at a loss in figuring out. Also, I am most eager to learn what his post-war1 Civilian occupation was, if at all possible ? I'm adding some scans here, so that perhaps they might assist someone in determining the information I'm seeking. I've also been asked as to the E.K.II award's authenticity, due to the original document not being present amongst the other award documents. Well, I can't attest to what happened to it, or where it is / was, but, I'm relatively certain that due to the award being referred to on his Family Genealogical Certificate, I simply can't understand why it would have been noted, had it not been an genuine decoration. [ I'm hoping that upon my receipt of his We browse, which I'm waiting for it to arrive, will 'hopefully' confirm his E.K.II within it. ] All in all, I think it remains an interesting little long time service Group, covering his 4 years of WW1 service, all to the end of the Nazi era. THANK YOU,

Best regards, Dom P. / dpast32
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Re: Recent acquisition of WW1 'Sanitater und Musiker'' E.K.II Group

Post by dpast32 » 29 May 2021 20:58

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Here's the final scans, THANKS AGAIN !!
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Re: Recent acquisition of WW1 'Sanitater und Musiker'' E.K.II Group

Post by HPL2008 » 09 Jun 2021 07:07

dpast32 wrote:
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I am especially interested in determining the 'exact' spelling of his surname, as its spelled out in the older style, Germanic script, of which I am totally at a loss in figuring out. Also, I am most eager to learn what his post-war1 Civilian occupation was, if at all possible ?
His name was Heinrich Heuß (misspelled as "Heuss" on the TrDEZ award certificate).

He started out in the private sector, getting his vocational training at the Friedrich Harburg wine store and liqueur factory from 1 Jan. 1904 to 1 Jan. 1907 and continuing to work there as a clerk until 1 October 1909.

From 1 Jan. 1910 to 30 Aug. 1913, he worked as an accountant for the Binding brewery, with an interruption for his compulsory military service from 13 Oct. 1910 to 1 Oct. 1912.

On 1 Sept. 1913, he became a civil servant: He was an official [Beamter] of the medium-level career [mittlerer Dienst] working for the municipal administration of the City of Wiesbaden. This, again, was interrupted when he was called up for wartime military service, serving in the army from 4 Aug. 1914 to 30 Nov. 1918.

If you want to know anything else about the data in these documents, let me know.
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Re: Recent acquisition of WW1 'Sanitater und Musiker'' E.K.II Group

Post by dpast32 » 09 Jun 2021 13:54

'HPL2008', I simply can not THANK YOU ENOUGH for your very kind & most informative reply to my above noted query ! Your overview of his early career training & employment will now allow me to fill in those blank spots within my 'study'. Just for the record, I have since updated all of the scans / photos from his documents group, & will be happy to re-post any of all of which you may prefer an enlargement of to better translate ? I would love of course to learn as to his WW2 service, if any, as due to his work within the Wiesbaden Administration, he possibly may have been exempt from actual Front Line duty ? If you do happen to have the time to translate any additional documents, I have a few related to his later WW2 era life which I will very much like to determine their meaning & overall relevance. So, I truly THANK YOU AGAIN for your very w assistance, & will, hopefully, look forward to your continued assistance in deciphering the balance of this interesting grouping.

Best regards, Dom Pastore Jr. / dpast32@aol.com

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Re: Recent acquisition of WW1 'Sanitater und Musiker'' E.K.II Group

Post by HPL2008 » 09 Jun 2021 17:01

Wilhelm Heinrich Heuß was born in Breckenheim in Hesse on 25 Aug. 1889 as the son of the farmer, forest worker and innkeeper Konrad Heuß and his wife Karolina (?)*.

Known by his second Christian name Heinrich, he was of Protestant faith, baptized on 6 October 1889 (with Wilhelm Heuß, Franz Renneisen and Heinrich Wink as his godfathers) and had his confirmation on 31 May 1903. Pastor Kopfermann undertook both rites at the Breckenheim church.

He attended primary school at Breckenheim from 1 April 1895 to 4 April 1903.

Heinrich got his vocational training at the Friedrich Harburg wine store and liqueur factory at Wiesbaden from 1 Jan. 1904 to 1 Jan. 1907, also attending the Wiesbaden business school from 1 April 1904 to 23 March 1907. He continued to work for the Harburg company as a junior clerk until 1 Oct. 1909.
Apparently unemployed for two months, he took up work as an accountant with the Soden branch of the Binding brewery on 1 Jan. 1910.

On 13 Oct. 1910, he was called up for compulsory miltary service, serving with the Machine Gun Company of the 2nd Nassau Infantry Regiment No. 88 at Mainz-Kastel. Following his discharge on 1 Oct. 1912, he resumed working in his former occupation until 30 Aug. 1913.

On 1 Sept. 1913, he left the business world and joined the civil service, becoming an official of the mid-level career with the Wiesbaden municipal administration.

On 26 Sept. 1916, Heinrich married his wife Frieda Heuß (née Manker) in Breckenheim; the marriage remained childless.** Both the civil and the religious ceremony were undertaken that day, with Pastor Walter conducting the latter. Karl Fries and Jakob Stemmler acted as witnesses to the wedding.

When war broke out in 1914, he was called up for military service like countless other reservists, this time with Reserve Infantry Regiment No. 80. Continuously serving with this regiment from 4 August 1914 to 30 Nov. 1918, he took part in all of its campaigns and engagements, partially fighting at the frontline, partially serving as a medic and musician. Decorated with the Iron Cross 2nd Class on 27 Jan. 1916, he never advanced beyond the humble private rank of Gefreiter.

Having survived the war, he returned to his civil service career, serving throughout the Weimar years and into the Third Reich era.

As a combat veteran of WWI, he could add a second decoration to his EK II on 28 Sept. 1934: The newly-instituted 1914/18 Honor Cross for Combatants. His longtime service as a municipal official found visible recognition in his being awarded the Faithful Service Award in Silver on 1 February 1939. (He had completed the necessary 25 years of service in September 1938; military service being counted.) His administrative "rank" at the time was Stadtsekretär.

Of course, later that year, Heinrich found himself experiencing his second war. By now 50 years of age, he was not mobilized again. However, as he was still legally subject to conscription, he underwent a draft board examination at the Military Recruiting Subdistrict Headquarters at Wiesbaden on 29 Oct. 1943. He was classified as being fit for homeland garrison duty and put into the tertiary reserves. Re-examined on 19 June 1944, he was now found to be conditionally fit for wartime service, but remained on the reserve lists. A 1 February 1945 Wehrpaß notice tells us that he was deferred from call-up due to working in a reserved occupation.

At some point during the war, he was awarded the War Merit Cross 2nd Class.

As was quite common at the time, he was a member of a number of clubs and associations: The Deutschnationaler Handlungsgehilfen-Verband [German-National Association of Commercial Clerks], the Zentralverband der Angestellten [Central Association of Employees], the Deutscher Beamtenbund [German League of Officials] and the Gesangverein Scharr'scher Männerchor und Musikverein [Scharr's Men Choir Choral Society and Music Club].


*) Due to the resolution of the scan, the mother's first name and maiden name as well as the parents' death years are hard to read. The latter appear to be 1940 and 1933 or 1938, respectively. Incidentally, a Konrad Heuß was the mayor of Breckenheim from May 1882 to July 1914; I don't know if this is the same man:
http://www.historisches-breckenheim.de/ ... germeister
(You can also find pictures of the Breckenheim school and church on that site.)

**) Or without surviving children. (The Wehrpaß lists no children.)
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Re: Recent acquisition of WW1 'Sanitater und Musiker'' E.K.II Group

Post by dpast32 » 09 Jun 2021 19:32

I really do have to admit, you're particular 'report', for lack of a better description, it quite similar to the type I've compiled for both myself & my Department !! I sincerely THANK YOU AGAIN for your taking the time & effort to enlighten me as to Heinrich's story ! You know, initially when I began to research him, not only did the different Surname spellings present a problem, his actual 1st name appeared to have e Wilhelm, but for reasons only known to him he chose to go by Heinrich ? But, at least I finally have a detailed overview of him, THANKS to your very kind assistance !! Also, I'm not sure if you noticed, but his 'Black Wound Badge' appears to be missing from the Group ? I am almost certain that I located the reference to him on Ancestry.com. The List page reads, Heinrich Huess, Weisbaden, 1Komp., Res. Infantry. Regt. Nr. 80, 'lite wounded' on 15 September 1914. [ I could provide the corresponding List Number & Date of Issue, if you desire. ] I surmised that due to it being an very minor injury, he chose to disregard it, & failed to claim his Wound Badge ? And, it's also not listed within his Wehrpass ? I was also concerned about the injury date, due to it being so very early in the fighting, but, due to his having recent prior military service, he naturally would have been amongst the first men selected to be deployed to the Front ? One thing is for certain, he absolutely saw his share of combat during the War, having served pretty much from beginning to the end ! Now that I have all this detailed data to utilize for my search, I'm sure I'll ultimately learn more on him. THANKS AGAIN !!!!

Best, Dom P.

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Re: Recent acquisition of WW1 'Sanitater und Musiker'' E.K.II Group

Post by dpast32 » 09 Jun 2021 20:47

Hello again 'HPL2008', Following is what I believe to be the WW1 Wound reference to Heus. I may indeed be wrong, but it does appear to match up on all accounts ? It reads follows;

Heinrich Heuß
in Germany, World War I Casualty Lists, 1914-1919

Name: Heinrich Heuß
Unit: [ 1. Komp.] Reserve Infantry Regiment Nr. 80
Wound Date: 15 September 1914
Residence Year: 1914
Residence Country: Deutschland (Germany)
List Date: 07 August 1916
List Number: 1085
Volume: 1916 XVIII

SOURCE INFORMATION:

Ancestry.com. Germany, World War I Casualty Lists, 1914-1919 [database on-line]. Lehi, UT, USA

ORIGINAL DATA: Deutsche Verlustlisten 1914 bis 1919. Berlin, Deutschland: Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt).

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Re: Recent acquisition of WW1 'Sanitater und Musiker'' E.K.II Group

Post by HPL2008 » 10 Jun 2021 11:23

dpast32 wrote:
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I really do have to admit, you're particular 'report', for lack of a better description, it quite similar to the type I've compiled for both myself & my Department !!
I got the idea for this kind of "write-up" from another member at the WRF, where I used to be active. He always summarized his Wehrpässe in this style, and I liked that a lot. Presenting it as a kind of narrative - rather than a simple listing of dates and facts in a bulleted list - helps to make the men behind the paperwork come alive.

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You know, initially when I began to research him, not only did the different Surname spellings present a problem, his actual 1st name appeared to have e Wilhelm, but for reasons only known to him he chose to go by Heinrich ?
That's not unusual, really. If people have several first names, only one of them is their Rufname [lit. "calling name"], i.e. the name by which they are actually addressed and commonly known. The Rufname can, but does not have to be, the first one in the sequence of names; very often, it is the second one.
If all of the first names are stated in writing, the Rufname is identified by being underlined (as you can see in several of these documents). However, it is common practice (especially in less formal paperwork) to use only the Rufname and omit the other Christian name(s) completely.
Incidentally, he was probably named after his godfathers Wilhelm Heuß and Heinrich Wink.

As for the spelling of "Heuß" vs. "Heuss"; that's a super-common kind of error/variant. "ß" basically has the same phonetic value as "ss", and it can even be legitimately replaced by the latter if the "ß" character is unavailable (for example in telegrams and teletype messages of yore, or if something is written in all caps).

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Also, I'm not sure if you noticed, but his 'Black Wound Badge' appears to be missing from the Group ? I am almost certain that I located the reference to him on Ancestry.com. The List page reads, Heinrich Huess, Weisbaden, 1Komp., Res. Infantry. Regt. Nr. 80, 'lite wounded' on 15 September 1914. [ I could provide the corresponding List Number & Date of Issue, if you desire. ] I surmised that due to it being an very minor injury, he chose to disregard it, & failed to claim his Wound Badge ? And, it's also not listed within his Wehrpass ?
It appears to be him, yes. If an actual award of the Wound Badge is not registered anywhere (including the Wehrpaß), he clearly wasn't awarded the badge.

Of course, with the VWA only instituted in March 1918, he couldn't have got it immediately anyway; but apparently it wasn't bestowed at a later date, either, even though eligibility for the badge was retroactive to the outbreak of war in 1914.

Due to the many difficulties of the immediate post-war period, awards of the badge (and other WW I decorations like the Iron Cross) to eligible persons dragged on for several years after the end of hostilities. The first cut-off date for awards of the badge was 31 December 1925, after which no more awards were to be made.

Awards were again resumed in 1936, with revised award criteria. Former servicemen who, for some reason or the other, had never got their Wound Badge or who had now become eligible for a higher grade than they had initially been awarded could now submit applications for a retroactive award of the badge. Apparently, Heuß wasn't among those, either, or the application was not approved for some reason.

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Re: Recent acquisition of WW1 'Sanitater und Musiker'' E.K.II Group

Post by dpast32 » 10 Jun 2021 20:14

Hello HPL2008, I APOLOGIZE for my slightly belated THANK YOU for your continued assistance. I've been tied up all day today with assortment errends, & unfortunately was prevented from doing what I enjoy doing, which is of course, interacting here on the Forum, along with my other Forums.
In regards to his name choice, now that you mention it, no, it's not at all unusual for someone to selectively decide upon whichever name. ( Although it does appear to be much more prevalent within Europe, than perhaps in the US. ) In reference to his 3 noted awards sophisticated Web roads, we know that that the 1st two are the EK II & Hindenburg Cross, & the 3rd we assume was the Kreigsverdienst Medal, which I 'think' would have been the lowest grade, without swords ? However, now that I'm thinking about it, why wasn't his '25 Year Service Medal' also listed along with the others, or, could it perhaps be the 25 Year Medal that's listed ? We can be almost certain that he was await he 25 Medal, based upon the accompanying Document. Out of curiosity, I went through his Wehrpass in case I missed something, & unfortunately it only has entries on 8 pages, total. Curious indeed !!

Best, Dom P.

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Post by HPL2008 » 10 Jun 2021 20:40

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In reference to his 3 noted awards sophisticated Web roads, we know that that the 1st two are the EK II & Hindenburg Cross, & the 3rd we assume was the Kreigsverdienst Medal, which I 'think' would have been the lowest grade, without swords ? However, now that I'm thinking about it, why wasn't his '25 Year Service Medal' also listed along with the others, or, could it perhaps be the 25 Year Medal that's listed ? We can be almost certain that he was await he 25 Medal, based upon the accompanying Document.
He was definitely awarded the War Merit Cross [Kriegsverdienstkreuz], not the War Merit Medal [Kriegsverdienstmedaille]. (A previous award of the medal was not necessary for an award of the cross.)
The entry in his Wehrpaß simply says "Kriegsverd.Kreuz"; this would be the second class without swords:

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The 25-year TrDEZ was not entered in the Wehrpaß for some reason.
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Post by dpast32 » 10 Jun 2021 22:15

THANKS AGAIN My Friend !! I guess that by 1943, they weren't exercising such strict standards as far as the recording of previously awarded, or received Decorations ? Plus, he wasn't an active duty Soldier, so perhaps whomever was recording his data simply wasn't all that interested. As we both know, it could have been due to numerous reasons, of which unfortunately, we'll never learn. He also received some form of Red Cross Certificate, along with that 'pink' Wehrpass Notice F, which was dated quite late in the War, 02 February 1945. I heard that pink form was instructions on how to behave as fighting grows near, or something similar ? The Red Cross Certificate I assume was for some course he underwent, or perhaps for volunteer work ? THANKS AGAIN,

Best, Dom.

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Post by HPL2008 » 11 Jun 2021 07:03

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He also received some form of Red Cross Certificate, along with that 'pink' Wehrpass Notice F, which was dated quite late in the War, 02 February 1945. I heard that pink form was instructions on how to behave as fighting grows near, or something similar ?
The Wehrpaß notice tells us that he was deferred from call-up due to working in a reserved occupation (i.e., he was unabkömmlich/held an "Uk-Stellung".
It instructs its holder on various administrative/legal matters, such as the fact that he is not permitted to quit his reserved occupation without prior approval of the Labor Office, that he is obliged to immediately notify the appropriate recruitment agency if he is no longer Uk or moves to another address etc. etc. Nothing to do with fighting.

The DRK certificate is simply for having attended a first aid course.

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Post by dpast32 » 11 Jun 2021 15:37

Good Morning My Friend, As usual, I sincerely do THANK YOU for all of your very much appreciated & kind assistance !! It is quite interesting as to how the most intriguing form or document can appear important, yet once its translated it becomes somewhat mundane, just another example of simple Bureaucracy in action. Fortunately now, & THANKS to your extremely kind & through translation & knowledgeable assistance, I've gained an excellent overall view of this individual's military service, life, & career, up until at least mid 1945. I have not however been able to determine where, & more importantly when Heinrich ultimately passed away, which based on his relative age, might have been during the 1960's or thereabouts ? Believe me, I have searched all throughout every Site I'm aware of, but can not determine his date of death !! At this point, I'm beginning to assume the just maybe, he was amongst the ever so many Germans that perished during the final, bitter weeks & days of the fighting, & unfortunately were never known, or simply went unrecorded due to the overwhelming chaos that was Germany, & pretty much all of the European Continent during those especially tragic days ? And, just for the sake of mentioning, it is somewhat odd that based upon his relative Administrative Position, along with his Family ties, I do find it slightly strange that no-one, neither his work related aquiantences, nor his Family were concerned enough to even submit some form of 'Missing' Report, or something similar ? I did try to look into any such reports, but I myself wasn't able to find anything on him ? I was hoping that the German version of 'Find A Grave' might have something on him, but again, nothing found ? It's almost as if he disappeared, which, I guess if you take into account when, where, & what was currently transpiring all around him at that particular point in time, well, I guess a 'disappearance' really can't be ruled out. [ And especially so if he happened to have been residing in the 'East', upon the cessation of hostilities ? From what I've gathered over the years, such things were not all that uncommon there, especially just after the War's end. THANKS AGAIN 'HPL2008', I truly do appreciate all your efforts !!

Best, Dom / dpast32@aol.com

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Post by HPL2008 » 11 Jun 2021 16:51

For what it's worth, we know he was not in the east when the war ended. The Wehrpaß notice tells us that he was still at Wiesbaden in early February 1945. Late the following month (28 March 1945), the city was taken by the U.S. Army's 80th Infantry Division.

Of course, if he was extremely unlucky, it is possible that he perished during those final two months.

In fact, the heaviest of the 66 air raids on Wiesbaden took place during that period: In the night between 2 and 3 March 1945, the city was attacked by an RAF force of more than 495 Avro Lancasters and 12 De Havilland Mosquitoes, dropping 1,251 tons of bombs. Even though bad weather caused many of the aircraft to miss their assigned targets, a third of the inner city was destroyed, more than 500 people were killed, nearly 400 injured and some 28,000 rendered homeless.

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Post by dpast32 » 11 Jun 2021 18:25

I was honestly thinking somewhere along those lines myself. As I'm sure you're well aware, the German Government's Administration was indeed functioning, albeit with unsurprising delays well up until their ultimate capitulation, & from what I understand was allowed to continue functioning right along. So therefore, for him to have passed away from any relatively 'normal' circumstance just doesn't seem likely, although I guess it is possible when considering the overall situation throughout the Country ? However, doesn't it appear much more likely for him to have perished within some sort of event in which his identity was never able to be established, such as an air raid, etc ? But again, like I said earlier, wouldn't someone have reported him 'missing, unless of course they knew what had happened to him, so wouldn't / didn't even bother to initiate a report ?? I'm afraid this particular 'project' of mine may not have b the extremely detailed, finalized finish v that I amp strive for when researching & documenting one of my Groups !! But, when in doubt, just keep searching, right ? THANKS AGAIN My Friend !! And in closing, I'm looking at an Civilian issue 'War Merit Cross', [ 2nd Class, in bronze ] & although it was obtained via an US WW2 Veteran, it is not visibly manufacturer marked ? In your opinion, were there unmarked examples, or are they more likely to be found marked ? One point of interest is that it does appear to have been soldered at the bottom of it's ring during its production. Your advice will be much appreciated.

Best, Dom

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