Danzig Cross first class and Gau Danzig Badge

[WAR LORD]

SA-Hauptsturmführers und Amtskomissars Willi Freude Danzig Cross first class and Gau Danzig Badge. This is a wonderful grouping and shows the awards in wear in period picture. The Gau Danzig Badge is a very rare piece. Good to have the example and picture of it in wear.

[matthew4108]

It's a bunch of items put together. Items that almost certainly did not start their lives together. Personally, I think it was done to legitimize the most expensive piece in it- the Gau Danzig badge.

I wont even get into "is it the one in the pic or not" as that is impossible to tell (personally I think the kind never existed) but take a look at his ribbon bar. Single bronze NSDAP cross ribbon bar. Right under Danzig Cross 1 Class. But no ribbon for the second. So....what's the claim here? He got his 1 class first and later on the 2 class? Is that why his ribbon bar is missing it along with KVK (which unlike the Danzig Cross, he could've gotten later on).

Then there is his Party badge- whether he used horizontal or vertical uniform loops , the badge in the pic would have to be tilted at 45 degrees from where it sits now since we can see the pin hook just sticking out from behind the badge pictured below. But it is not.

That makes it 3 things hard to explain right there...and there is more. But that would do it for me and whether I would pull the trigger or not.

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[WAR LORD]

The group is what it is. If put together that has to be a point of conjecture. The Danzig Cross 1st Class is without doubt original. The Gau Danzig badge is again identical to the discovered in Denmark in a grouping of Danzig Cross 1st class plus other pieces, this was 1980. So evedentialy the case is strong. The three pictures taken at different e time indelicate that the awards were worn over time. So refuting the Gau Danzig badge is a hard line to follow.

[matthew4108]

On the contrary- there is not one shred of evidence to prove that the silver made Gau Danzig badge existed prior to 1945. I repeat- not one proof.

Someone discovered in in a park in Denmark in 1980 or so they claim? Great. Even if the story is true, that is still 1980 Denmark.

"The case is strong" - we must be following different types of logic here because I see no case here.

But if you're on a lookout for another- try this guy below. Whether you're wanting a single piece or a 'wonderful grouping' he has it. I am sure he can get you a picture of a recipient as well if you ask..

[WAR LORD]

I am still confused you show something but this could be anything. Please look at the evidence. Or is it you can not get a piece? I think this should and be put to bed, you are convinced of these being modern fakes, the evidence is not in your favour, BUT and I say But we must take things as they are concidered to be correct. As they say in the trade, "THINGS WILL MOVE ON" We accept your thoughts but the volume of evidence is currently not in your favour.

[matthew4108]

And thus lies the problem- I show something and "it could be anything" . You do the same and it's "evidence".

I can't get a piece? To the best of my knowledge I am the only collector that holds both types of original Gau Danzig badges in his collection- the Alter Kampfer type and the so called cut out type (even though it is not a cut out, that badge was made using a different die than the Kampfer type).

The non inscribed badge you show on your blog is the one that is in my collection. You don't have one. You don't even have a picture of its verso (that's a good thing).

So tell me again- who can't get an undisputable original badge here between two of us?

Volume of evidence...that's funny. Like I said, not one proof for their existence prior to 1945. But you can always prove me wrong and present it here...

By the way- your write-up on its institution is a joke to put it mildly. It is also incorrect.

[matthew4108]

Here is your 'evidence is currently not in your favor' in print. The 'recipient' of the Gau Danzig badge in silver you posted above. Somewhat magnified.

His badge features cross ties on the oak wreath surrounding the center of the badge (red arrows).

Guess which type of Gau Danzig badge DOES NOT feature those cross ties. I'll give you a hint- it's made out of silver...

[WAR LORD]

i would take this up with Wietzer. This I had noticed. Check the other photo, your thoughts on that?

[matthew4108]

If you had noticed it you wouldn't claim you found "evidence of the badge in wear".

And why 'take it up with Weitze' as you suggested? You started this discussion here. I am sure if you wanted to talk with Helmut you'd find another avenue rather than posting this on AHF. Or is it because things didn't go as you hoped? Almost time to unload your stinker Chris? Little desperate for 'evidence' if you ask me...

And what about the second picture?