StG 45 (M) data?
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StG 45 (M) data?
Hello everyone!
I'm currently researching some information about this rare gun and so far I have found very contradicting stuff, so maybe any of you here has a good and reliable source...
1. What was the StG 45 (M)s empty weight? I have found data ranging from 4kg to 5.2kg... That maybe because the data of the prototype versions and the final production model got mixed up. So if anyone has reliable info on the final production model's weight I would be grateful.
2. What was its rate of fire? Again many contradictiong stuff. The Swedish page posted here last year says 650 m/s, but I saw a picture of the example incustody of the WTS Koblenz which clearly said 450 m/s...
3. Does the StG 45 eject its spent cartridges to the top?
4. I have seen pictures at the sturmgewehr.com page which seem to have a different, apparently plastic or bakkelite, handguard instead of the metal one that is usually seen. Which one was supposed to be the final version?
5. and final: Was the StG 45 supposed to be issued with that 10 rd magazine or was that just the magazine used for testing the gun?
Thanks in advance for any answers.
I'm currently researching some information about this rare gun and so far I have found very contradicting stuff, so maybe any of you here has a good and reliable source...
1. What was the StG 45 (M)s empty weight? I have found data ranging from 4kg to 5.2kg... That maybe because the data of the prototype versions and the final production model got mixed up. So if anyone has reliable info on the final production model's weight I would be grateful.
2. What was its rate of fire? Again many contradictiong stuff. The Swedish page posted here last year says 650 m/s, but I saw a picture of the example incustody of the WTS Koblenz which clearly said 450 m/s...
3. Does the StG 45 eject its spent cartridges to the top?
4. I have seen pictures at the sturmgewehr.com page which seem to have a different, apparently plastic or bakkelite, handguard instead of the metal one that is usually seen. Which one was supposed to be the final version?
5. and final: Was the StG 45 supposed to be issued with that 10 rd magazine or was that just the magazine used for testing the gun?
Thanks in advance for any answers.
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Re: StG 45 (M) data?
Data for "Mauser Gerät 06 H" and "StG45 (M)"KrazyKraut wrote:Hello everyone!
I'm currently researching some information about this rare gun and so far I have found very contradicting stuff, so maybe any of you here has a good and reliable source...
1. What was the StG 45 (M)s empty weight? I have found data ranging from 4kg to 5.2kg... That maybe because the data of the prototype versions and the final production model got mixed up. So if anyone has reliable info on the final production model's weight I would be grateful.
2. What was its rate of fire? Again many contradictiong stuff. The Swedish page posted here last year says 650 m/s, but I saw a picture of the example incustody of the WTS Koblenz which clearly said 450 m/s...
3. Does the StG 45 eject its spent cartridges to the top?
4. I have seen pictures at the sturmgewehr.com page which seem to have a different, apparently plastic or bakkelite, handguard instead of the metal one that is usually seen. Which one was supposed to be the final version?
5. and final: Was the StG 45 supposed to be issued with that 10 rd magazine or was that just the magazine used for testing the gun?
Thanks in advance for any answers.
I believe you've got the "rate of fire" and "muzzle velocity" mixed up, in any way they are the same according to the data I've got
Rate of fire: 650 rpm
Muzzle velocity: 650 m/s
Weight (empty): 4kg
- As I've never seen the StG 45 fired, few have, my guess is it ejects top right.
- The troop trail StG 45 was to have the bakelite handguard.
- The troop trail StG 45 was supposed to be issued with the 10 round magazine, but as the Haenel 30 round also fits my guess the latter would have been adopted as standard.
Re: StG 45 (M) data?
HelloKrazyKraut wrote: 4. I have seen pictures at the sturmgewehr.com page which seem to have a different, apparently plastic or bakkelite, handguard instead of the metal one that is usually seen. Which one was supposed to be the final version?
Do you still have those pictures? All that I've seen were with metal ones.
Yes, it does. According to Handrichs "Sturmgewehr!" this was one of the reasons why the weapon was rejected: gunners position was too easy to recognize.Rikard Hufschmied wrote:
- As I've never seen the StG 45 fired, few have, my guess is it ejects top right.
Are you sure? I think that trial ones were all with metal handguards and only the final version was considered to have a bakelite one.Rikard Hufschmied wrote: - The troop trail StG 45 was to have the bakelite handguard.
I agree.Rikard Hufschmied wrote: - The troop trail StG 45 was supposed to be issued with the 10 round magazine, but as the Haenel 30 round also fits my guess the latter would have been adopted as standard.
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This is (to my knowledge) a picture of the 0 series StG45(M) with bakelite handguard, assembled post war by the British.
But then again so is this StG45 (obviously with a steel handguard) claimed to be, picture from Waffenmuseum Oberndorf:
As most surviving StG45's were assembled by the British post-war, my guess is you will find a wide mix of parts as they used parts on hand, prototype parts and 0 series parts.
Both pictures are linked to the "Göta Vapenhistoriska Sällskap" collectors society webpage:
http://www.gotavapen.se
And specifically to the page covering the StG45 (in Swedish only):
http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/ak/mkb3.htm
But then again so is this StG45 (obviously with a steel handguard) claimed to be, picture from Waffenmuseum Oberndorf:
As most surviving StG45's were assembled by the British post-war, my guess is you will find a wide mix of parts as they used parts on hand, prototype parts and 0 series parts.
Both pictures are linked to the "Göta Vapenhistoriska Sällskap" collectors society webpage:
http://www.gotavapen.se
And specifically to the page covering the StG45 (in Swedish only):
http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/ak/mkb3.htm
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Waffenmuseum Oberndorf Gallery
I found a very nice picture gallery of the Waffenmuseum Oberndorf, it's well worth a look:
http://blogs.nofrag.com/Phoz/2006/oct/2 ... kler-koch/
And the display with the Mauser evolution of Selbstlade and StG designs:
http://blogs.nofrag.com/Phoz/2006/oct/2 ... kler-koch/
And the display with the Mauser evolution of Selbstlade and StG designs:
Not anymore Once I asked to translate it, enjoy http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=96672Rikard Hufschmied wrote:
http://www.gotavapen.se
And specifically to the page covering the StG45 (in Swedish only):
http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/ak/mkb3.htm
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No problem as I'm Swedishdect wrote:Not anymore Once I asked to translate it, enjoy http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=96672Rikard Hufschmied wrote:
http://www.gotavapen.se
And specifically to the page covering the StG45 (in Swedish only):
http://www.gotavapen.se/gota/ak/mkb3.htm
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Good idea - you can just refresh that mentioned post in "Breaking the Sound Barrier" section.Rikard Hufschmied wrote:True! Nice effort, the translation is kind of clunky though (language wise, no offense) maybe I can help out?dect wrote: Just like my boss But maybe for some it might be a little easier to read it in english
Regards
Jacek
Best,
Rikard
Regards
Jacek
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I'll do that, but first I have to apologize as it turns out that the original Swedish text is quite badly composed to start with (again no offense, just stating fact).dect wrote:Good idea - you can just refresh that mentioned post in "Breaking the Sound Barrier" section.Rikard Hufschmied wrote:True! Nice effort, the translation is kind of clunky though (language wise, no offense) maybe I can help out?dect wrote: Just like my boss But maybe for some it might be a little easier to read it in english
Regards
Jacek
Best,
Rikard
Regards
Jacek
best,
Rik
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Over at Buddy Hinton's
It's been a while since I've had a peek at Buddy Hinton's galleries and after browsing through the images of the StG45 I found some more of the StG45 with the bakelite forearm. It is marked "V21" and is showing considerable differences from the steel forearm StG's:
And a better shot of the StG45(M) at Waffenmuseum Oberndorf:
All images are linked to Buddy Hinton's galleries at:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com
And a better shot of the StG45(M) at Waffenmuseum Oberndorf:
All images are linked to Buddy Hinton's galleries at:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com
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i went to that site ages ago and found nothing on the StG. where do you click? all i see is boards of sales and stuff.
the rest of the gallery is har: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/German-WWII_Rifles/
the rest of the gallery is har: http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/German-WWII_Rifles/