Friedrich Beyersdorff and Kurt Kubat

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Friedrich Beyersdorff and Kurt Kubat

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Post by Ruslan M » 21 Dec 2007, 20:10

Please any information about them???

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Post by Georges JEROME » 21 Dec 2007, 21:14

Friedrich Beyersdorff

kdr V/SS Pz u Ers rgt 1943
kdr Artillerieregiment 14 (galician SS division) 1943 1944

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Post by Mikedc » 22 Dec 2007, 14:31

Friedrich Beyersdorff
* 09.08.1892
Im 1. Weltkrieg Soldat( Verwundet)
Mitglied der NSDAP (Nr. 4.738.054)
Mitglied der SS (Nr. 405.820)
30.01.1943 SS-Obersturmbannführer
30.01.1943 SS-Obersturmbannführer der Waffen-SS
01.09.1943 Oberstleutnant der Schutzpolizei (?)
(1943) Kommandeur der V. Abteilung des SS-Artillerie-Ausbildungs- und Ersatz-Regiments
1943-09.1944 Kommandeur des SS-Artillerie-Regiments 14 der 14. Galizischen SS-Freiwilligen-Division
01.09.1944 SS-Standartenführer
01.09.1944 SS-Standartenführer der Waffen-SS
05.09.1944-1945 Kommandeur des Waffen-Artillerie-Regiments der SS 14 der 14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (gal. Nr. 1)

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1914 EK II
Verwudetenabzeichen in Schwarz
1939 Spange zum EK II
1939 EK I

Source: 'Das Personen-Lexikon der NSDAP'

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Post by Georges JEROME » 22 Dec 2007, 15:17

yes Beyersdorf is a former policeman
on 41/42 he was abteilungkommandeur in Art Rgt Polizeidivision (Major then Oberstleutnant der Schupo)

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Post by panzerschreck » 22 Dec 2007, 15:34

Kdr. or Fhr. I./SS-Art.Rgt. 4

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Post by Phil Nix » 23 Dec 2007, 12:48

One of two extra notes on both officers
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Post by Mikedc » 23 Dec 2007, 14:13

Thanks JG, HS and Phil for the extra info on Beyersdorff, it's clear that 'Die Personen Lexikon' didn't had it all.....

And because I've never heard of Kubat before I'm gratefull with the info Phil posted here for us....So thanks Phil.


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Post by Ruslan M » 24 Dec 2007, 13:57

Many thanks guys, you are super!!!

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Re: Friedrich Beyersdorff and Kurt Kubat

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Post by Mikedc » 09 Apr 2012, 20:21

In the SS-DAL 1934/Sturmhauptführer Kurt Kubat is called Fritz Kubat.
So I presume he had two Christian names but I don't know if it was Fritz Kurt or Kurt Fritz.

I also have an SS-Sturmbannführer Kubat who was employed within the Forschungsamt der Luftwaffe. Does somebody has more info about this Kubat??

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Post by Mikedc » 18 Jun 2012, 18:59

I also have an SS-Sturmbannführer Kubat who was employed within the Forschungsamt der Luftwaffe. Does somebody has more info about this Kubat??


Nobody with some info/explanation on this Kubat??
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Re: Friedrich Beyersdorff and Kurt Kubat

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Post by Melnyk » 19 Jun 2012, 07:22

Hi

with a veiw to the published material quoted above, I can only comment on his time with the 14 galician div. Kampfgruppe Beyerdorff was formed 15 February 44 and lasted until 27 March 1944. It was based on one infantry regiment. Beyersdorff is survived by at least 1 son who resides in Northern Germany (I cant recall exactly where. He was said to have been "generally fair, but always did things by the book" according to his former Ordnanz offizier.

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Re: Friedrich Beyersdorff and Kurt Kubat

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Post by Phil Nix » 19 Jun 2012, 12:00

Kubat was named Fritz in SS Dal 1934 and his name was Kurt in all the following SS Dienstaltersliste all personal date is the same for both names I would think that the Kubat who was employed by the Luftwaffe is also the same man
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Post by Melnyk » 19 Jun 2012, 17:46

Hi

as regards Beyersdorff's personality, I found an example of his attitude to his former 'comrades in arms; in my notes.

After being interened, Beyersdorff was quick to denounce his former Ukrainian 'comrades in arms' to the American authorities as being thieves and criminals. This came about as the result of the hungry Ukrainian soldiers having taken a quantity of eggs and cans of meat from a railroad car of the American escort. Although the theft was uncovered by Ukrainian officers, the rations returned and the culprits handed over to the Feldgendarmerie, Beyersdorff used this as an excuse to portray the Ukrainians as bandits, robbers and mutineers before the American authorities and to publicly disassociate the remaining German contingent from the Ukrainians. On this issue, a Ukrainian officer who himself had previously served with the Artillery Regiment recalled;
"[....] Beyersdorff called a muster. [On] June 1st 1200 men assembled. Beyersdorf spoke but his usual introduction "Meine liebe gute Ukrainer" ("My dear good Ukrainians") was missing. He said that he was very disappointed with the Ukrainians; he tried very hard to educate them to be real soldiers but to no avail because under them a dominant group are thieves and bandits. Therefore he could not endanger his Germans who would have to part with the Ukrainians....Waffen-Hauptsturmführer Wolodymyr Kosak was appointed as our commander."

Interestly, I intereviewed a Ukrainian who was attached the the HQ of the 14 Artillery regiment and served as an aide to Beyersdorff at Brody. I asked him about Beyersdorff's behaviour during the battle. His reply was "Together with his German officers he abandoned his troops at the earliest opportunity."

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Re: Friedrich Beyersdorff and Kurt Kubat

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Post by Mark C. Yerger » 21 Jun 2012, 10:08

From German Cross in Gold Holders of the SS and Police, volume 5, Polizei Division.

He was an anecdotal personality.

Friedrich Beyersdorf (SS# 405 820) was born in Kiel on August 9, 1892. He won both Classes of the Iron Cross and the Wound Badge in WWI serving with Artillerie Regiment 16, later serving with a Freikorps unit in 1919. Given the rank of Sturmbannführer on November 1, 1940, he became the second Polizei Division commander of its I./Artillerie Regiment (see below), Fritz Schmedes briefly substituting for him in mid-September 1941. Promoted to Obersturmbannführer on January 30, 1943, he left the Polizei Division to command the V./SS-Artillerie-Ersatz-Regiment. Effective January 1, 1944, Beyersdorf moved to the eventual 14.Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (galizische Nr. 1) and succeeded Waffen-Hauptsturmführer Mykola Palijenko as commander of SS-Artillerie Regiment 14. Palijenko then took command of the IV.Abteilung of Beyersdorf’s regiment until killed on July 22, 1944. Fritz Freitag's final command/assignment was to train and lead what became the 14.Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS (ukrainische Nr. 1). He attended a divisional commander course in Hirschberg from February 3 to March 1, 1944, while then Obersturmbannführer Friedrich Beyersdorf oversaw the daily operations of the unit during Freitag’s absence. His normal command was SS-Artillerie Regiment 14. Promoted to Standartenführer on January 30, 1945, Beyersdorf retained that artillery regiment command to the end of the war and survived the conflict, though his eventual fate is unknown.

Artillerie Regiment 300: Army Artillerie Regiment 228 was created within Wehrkreis I on August 16, 1939. The unit saw combat in Poland as the artillery contingent of the 228.Infanterie Division, consisting of four Abteilung having a total of 12 Batterien. It was attached to the Polizei Division from December 1, 1939, being renumbered Artillerie Regiment 300 on April 1, 1940. Led by Army Oberst Heinrich Borowski during its period with the Polizei Division, it was formally detached from the division in August 1940 and broken up at the start of September, a new artillery component of Ordnungspolizei trained personnel having been created for the division. Its staff and components were given to Army Artillerie Regimenter 235, 218, 235, 85, and 107.

SS-Artillerie Regiment 4: The new artillery element for the division was established the first week of May 1940 with Artillerie Regiment 300 remaining attached to the division until the new element was operational. Under its initial commander, Oberst der Schutzpolizei Karl Brenner, it contained four detachments with the regimental staff being formed in Jüterbog. Initial sub-element commanders were Major der Schutzpolizei Ernst Sponer (I.Abteilung), Major der Schutzpolizei Friedrich-Wilhelm Bock (II.Abteilung), Major der Schutzpolizei Johann Goebel (III.Abteilung), and Major der Schutzpolizei Otto Binge (IV.Abteilung). The first three detachments were light caliber equipped and the IV.Abteilung was the heavy element, each Abteilung containing three Batterien of four weapons each. A Flak Zug was attached to the regimental Stabsbatterie.

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Sponer, Ernst

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Post by radevich » 31 May 2013, 20:27

Sponer, Ernst SS-Nr.405 822 geb.26.01.1896
Stubaf.: 01.11.1941; Obstlt.d.Sch.P.

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