Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Africa

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Post by Panzer Leader » 07 Mar 2007 15:33

6rd South African Armored Division


Commanders Of The 6th South African Armored Division

Major General WHE Poole(February 1st,1943-?)



Areas Of Operations Of The 6th South African Armored Division

South Africa 01-Feb-43 19-Apr-43

At Sea 19-Apr-43 30-Apr-43

Egypt 30-Apr-43 16-Apr-44

At Sea 16-Apr-44 21-Apr-44

Italy 21-Apr-44 08-May-45


Nicknames

N/A




6th South African Aromored Division Order Of Battle



Artillery

Antitank Regiments

11th Anti-Tank Regiment, SAA

1st/11th Anti-Tank Regiment, SAA

Field Regiments

166th (Newfoundland) Field Regiment, RA )

1st/6th Field Regiment, CFA, SAA

22nd Field Regiment, SAA

23rd Field Regiment, SAA

4/22 Field Regiment, SA Artillery

6th Field Regiment, SAA

7th Field Regiment, SAA

Light Antiaircraft Regiments

12th Light Antiaircraft Regiment, SAAF

1st/12th Light Antiaircraft Regiment, SAAF

Medium Regiments

76th Medium Regiment, RA

7th/23rd Medium Regiment, SAA
Engineers

Field Park Squadrons

17th Field Park Squadron, SA Engineers

Field Squadrons

12th Field Squadron, SA Engineers

622nd Field Squadron, RE

8th Field Squadron, SA Engineers
Infantry

4th/13th Frontier Force Rifles

74th Light Antiaircraft Regiment, RA (as inf)

Cape Town Highlanders

Imperial Light Horse

Support Battalion

"DSR"

Support Group

Royal Durban Light Infantry

Medical

19th Field Ambulance, SAMC

20th Field Ambulance, SAMC
Recce

Natal Mounted Rifles


Brigades
11 South African Armoured Brigade

1st Pretoria Regiment

Prince Alfred's Guard

Special Service Battalion

ILH/KimR (Imperial Light Horse/Kimberley Regiment

The Kimberley Regiment

4th/13th Frontier Force Rifles

12 South African Motorised Brigade

1st Witwatersrand Rifles

FC/CTH (First City/Cape Town Highlanders Regiment)

Regiment de la Rey

Royal Natal Caribineers

The First City Regiment

WR/DLR (Witwatersrand/de la Rey Regiment)

RB/RPS (Regiment Botha/Regiment President Steyn) heavy company,


13 South African Motorised Brigade

ILH/KimR (Imperial Light Horse/Kimberley Regiment

Natal Mounted Rifles

Natal Mounted Rifles/SAAF

Royal Durban Light Infantry

15th Field Regiment, SAA

RB/RPS (Regiment Botha/Regiment President Steyn) heavy company,



5th Field Company, SA Engineers

18th Motor Brigade Signals

19th Field Ambulance, SAMC

24 Guards Infantry Brigade


1st Battalion, The Scots Guards

3rd Battalion, The Coldstream Guards

5th Battalion, Grenadier Guards

23rd (Army) Field Regiment, RA

42nd Field Company, RE

201st Guards Brigade Workshop, REME

24th Independent Brigade Group (Guards) Workshop, REME

550th Company, RASC

137th Field Ambulance, RAMC

226th Field Ambulance, RAMC




Battles,Skermishes, and Engagements





1944

ROME 22-May-44 04-Jun-44

Advance to the Tiber 22-May-44 04-Jun-44

Celleno 09-Jun-44 09-Jun-44

Bagnoregio 11-Jun-44 13-Jun-44

Allerona 15-Jun-44 15-Jun-44

TRASIMENE LINE 20-Jun-44 30-Jun-44

AREZZO 04-Jul-44 17-Jul-44

ADVANCE TO FLORENCE 17-Jul-44 10-Aug-44

Monte San Michele 18-Jul-44 20-Jul-44

Monte Domini 21-Jul-44 24-Jul-44

Monte Kili 21-Jul-44 23-Jul-44

Paula Line 30-Jul-44 04-Aug-44

GOTHIC LINE 25-Aug-44 22-Sep-44

Monte Porro del Bagno 15-Sep-44 18-Sep-44

Femmina Morta 17-Sep-44 18-Sep-44

Catarelto Ridge 28-Sep-44 03-Oct-44

Monte Vigese 30-Sep-44 06-Oct-44

Monte Stanco 07-Oct-44 13-Oct-44

Monte Salvaro 19-Oct-44 23-Oct-44

1945

BOLOGNA 14-Apr-45 21-Apr-45

Monte Sole 15-Apr-45 18-Apr-45

Camposanto Bridge 22-Apr-45 22-Apr-45

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Post by Panzer Leader » 10 Mar 2007 05:16

With the Rhodesian's I can't find much out about them exept that a detachment of them served with the 6th South African Armored Division in Italy and that a number of Rhodesian's served with the British RAF as volunteers or tagged along with the SAAF.

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Post by JonS » 11 Mar 2007 10:39

On the previous page I linked to the Rhodesian OH ... take a look at that. Their ground forces amounted to an A-Tk Bty and a Fd Bty. Air forces were - IIRC - a fighter sqn and a light/med bomber sqn (Blenheims, or sufink)

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Post by Panzer Leader » 13 Mar 2007 00:56

JonS wrote:On the previous page I linked to the Rhodesian OH ... take a look at that. Their ground forces amounted to an A-Tk Bty and a Fd Bty. Air forces were - IIRC - a fighter sqn and a light/med bomber sqn (Blenheims, or sufink)
Sorry, I didn't see that I will have to go back and look at it.

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Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Africa

Post by craiglloyd » 14 Mar 2008 10:51

Hi
you have a brief mention of Gen Pienaar ,i am trying to get info on his death and in particular a Lt WB Lloyd who was on board the aircraft ,This is part of a broader look into Lt Lloyd's military /flying career.
Any info would be appreciated

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Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Africa

Post by JonS » 23 Mar 2008 21:09

A thought occurs ... the info on these pages on SA and Rhodesian forces is overwhelming Euro-centric. In the case of Rhodesia, the forces involved are so modest simply because there were so few Whites in Rhodesia at the time - 100,000 or so (including, I believe, Roald Dahl, who joined the RAF).

There were, in addition to these White combat forces vast numbers of Black in service, pioneer, and engineer units, and a bit later in combat units too. See, for example, Jackson, Ashley "Supplying War - The High Commission Territories' Military-Logistical Contribution in the Second World War", The Journal of Military History, Vol. 66, No. 3. (Jul., 2002), pp. 719-760.

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Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Africa

Post by Jon G. » 24 Mar 2008 10:10

JonS wrote:...There were, in addition to these White combat forces vast numbers of Black in service, pioneer, and engineer units, and a bit later in combat units too...


I agree with your Euro-centric comment. Most HCT* units were raised as pioneer units, but later on ('later' in context roughly meaning from the invasion of Italy and onwards) they were employed in more roles than just menial labour - for example AA units and military police.

A brief blurb from Jackson's article, hopefully not cropped the new forum format willing:

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A Pioneer Company had an establishment strength of 365 men.

It would be interesting to know what the 'breakdown' of East Africans at Tobruk meant.

*HCT=High Commission Territories, which were Bechuanaland, Basutoland and Swaziland - so, granted, not South Africa or Rhodesia, but definitely Southern Africa.

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Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Africa

Post by maxs75 » 30 Apr 2008 18:44

By the Way we are speaking about Rhodesia and South Africa, Can somebody provide a list of aircraft squadrons of both nations during WW2. IIRC one of the first Lancaster squadron was Rhodesian.

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Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Afric

Post by mrLawson » 30 Mar 2011 13:56

I was once told that the Cape field arty, took back the old insignia from 1891-1896, the crest of the Cape Colony, as to show the world where they came from.
Is there any facts that can back this up?? I have in my possesion one of these insignias.

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Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Afric

Post by David W » 11 Apr 2011 00:12

Did anyone ever unearth any details on the Armoured Car Regiments?

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