Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Africa
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6rd South African Armored Division
Commanders Of The 6th South African Armored Division
Major General WHE Poole(February 1st,1943-?)
Areas Of Operations Of The 6th South African Armored Division
South Africa 01-Feb-43 19-Apr-43
At Sea 19-Apr-43 30-Apr-43
Egypt 30-Apr-43 16-Apr-44
At Sea 16-Apr-44 21-Apr-44
Italy 21-Apr-44 08-May-45
Nicknames
N/A
6th South African Aromored Division Order Of Battle
Artillery
Antitank Regiments
11th Anti-Tank Regiment, SAA
1st/11th Anti-Tank Regiment, SAA
Field Regiments
166th (Newfoundland) Field Regiment, RA )
1st/6th Field Regiment, CFA, SAA
22nd Field Regiment, SAA
23rd Field Regiment, SAA
4/22 Field Regiment, SA Artillery
6th Field Regiment, SAA
7th Field Regiment, SAA
Light Antiaircraft Regiments
12th Light Antiaircraft Regiment, SAAF
1st/12th Light Antiaircraft Regiment, SAAF
Medium Regiments
76th Medium Regiment, RA
7th/23rd Medium Regiment, SAA
Engineers
Field Park Squadrons
17th Field Park Squadron, SA Engineers
Field Squadrons
12th Field Squadron, SA Engineers
622nd Field Squadron, RE
8th Field Squadron, SA Engineers
Infantry
4th/13th Frontier Force Rifles
74th Light Antiaircraft Regiment, RA (as inf)
Cape Town Highlanders
Imperial Light Horse
Support Battalion
"DSR"
Support Group
Royal Durban Light Infantry
Medical
19th Field Ambulance, SAMC
20th Field Ambulance, SAMC
Recce
Natal Mounted Rifles
Brigades
11 South African Armoured Brigade
1st Pretoria Regiment
Prince Alfred's Guard
Special Service Battalion
ILH/KimR (Imperial Light Horse/Kimberley Regiment
The Kimberley Regiment
4th/13th Frontier Force Rifles
12 South African Motorised Brigade
1st Witwatersrand Rifles
FC/CTH (First City/Cape Town Highlanders Regiment)
Regiment de la Rey
Royal Natal Caribineers
The First City Regiment
WR/DLR (Witwatersrand/de la Rey Regiment)
RB/RPS (Regiment Botha/Regiment President Steyn) heavy company,
13 South African Motorised Brigade
ILH/KimR (Imperial Light Horse/Kimberley Regiment
Natal Mounted Rifles
Natal Mounted Rifles/SAAF
Royal Durban Light Infantry
15th Field Regiment, SAA
RB/RPS (Regiment Botha/Regiment President Steyn) heavy company,
5th Field Company, SA Engineers
18th Motor Brigade Signals
19th Field Ambulance, SAMC
24 Guards Infantry Brigade
1st Battalion, The Scots Guards
3rd Battalion, The Coldstream Guards
5th Battalion, Grenadier Guards
23rd (Army) Field Regiment, RA
42nd Field Company, RE
201st Guards Brigade Workshop, REME
24th Independent Brigade Group (Guards) Workshop, REME
550th Company, RASC
137th Field Ambulance, RAMC
226th Field Ambulance, RAMC
Battles,Skermishes, and Engagements
1944
ROME 22-May-44 04-Jun-44
Advance to the Tiber 22-May-44 04-Jun-44
Celleno 09-Jun-44 09-Jun-44
Bagnoregio 11-Jun-44 13-Jun-44
Allerona 15-Jun-44 15-Jun-44
TRASIMENE LINE 20-Jun-44 30-Jun-44
AREZZO 04-Jul-44 17-Jul-44
ADVANCE TO FLORENCE 17-Jul-44 10-Aug-44
Monte San Michele 18-Jul-44 20-Jul-44
Monte Domini 21-Jul-44 24-Jul-44
Monte Kili 21-Jul-44 23-Jul-44
Paula Line 30-Jul-44 04-Aug-44
GOTHIC LINE 25-Aug-44 22-Sep-44
Monte Porro del Bagno 15-Sep-44 18-Sep-44
Femmina Morta 17-Sep-44 18-Sep-44
Catarelto Ridge 28-Sep-44 03-Oct-44
Monte Vigese 30-Sep-44 06-Oct-44
Monte Stanco 07-Oct-44 13-Oct-44
Monte Salvaro 19-Oct-44 23-Oct-44
1945
BOLOGNA 14-Apr-45 21-Apr-45
Monte Sole 15-Apr-45 18-Apr-45
Camposanto Bridge 22-Apr-45 22-Apr-45
Commanders Of The 6th South African Armored Division
Major General WHE Poole(February 1st,1943-?)
Areas Of Operations Of The 6th South African Armored Division
South Africa 01-Feb-43 19-Apr-43
At Sea 19-Apr-43 30-Apr-43
Egypt 30-Apr-43 16-Apr-44
At Sea 16-Apr-44 21-Apr-44
Italy 21-Apr-44 08-May-45
Nicknames
N/A
6th South African Aromored Division Order Of Battle
Artillery
Antitank Regiments
11th Anti-Tank Regiment, SAA
1st/11th Anti-Tank Regiment, SAA
Field Regiments
166th (Newfoundland) Field Regiment, RA )
1st/6th Field Regiment, CFA, SAA
22nd Field Regiment, SAA
23rd Field Regiment, SAA
4/22 Field Regiment, SA Artillery
6th Field Regiment, SAA
7th Field Regiment, SAA
Light Antiaircraft Regiments
12th Light Antiaircraft Regiment, SAAF
1st/12th Light Antiaircraft Regiment, SAAF
Medium Regiments
76th Medium Regiment, RA
7th/23rd Medium Regiment, SAA
Engineers
Field Park Squadrons
17th Field Park Squadron, SA Engineers
Field Squadrons
12th Field Squadron, SA Engineers
622nd Field Squadron, RE
8th Field Squadron, SA Engineers
Infantry
4th/13th Frontier Force Rifles
74th Light Antiaircraft Regiment, RA (as inf)
Cape Town Highlanders
Imperial Light Horse
Support Battalion
"DSR"
Support Group
Royal Durban Light Infantry
Medical
19th Field Ambulance, SAMC
20th Field Ambulance, SAMC
Recce
Natal Mounted Rifles
Brigades
11 South African Armoured Brigade
1st Pretoria Regiment
Prince Alfred's Guard
Special Service Battalion
ILH/KimR (Imperial Light Horse/Kimberley Regiment
The Kimberley Regiment
4th/13th Frontier Force Rifles
12 South African Motorised Brigade
1st Witwatersrand Rifles
FC/CTH (First City/Cape Town Highlanders Regiment)
Regiment de la Rey
Royal Natal Caribineers
The First City Regiment
WR/DLR (Witwatersrand/de la Rey Regiment)
RB/RPS (Regiment Botha/Regiment President Steyn) heavy company,
13 South African Motorised Brigade
ILH/KimR (Imperial Light Horse/Kimberley Regiment
Natal Mounted Rifles
Natal Mounted Rifles/SAAF
Royal Durban Light Infantry
15th Field Regiment, SAA
RB/RPS (Regiment Botha/Regiment President Steyn) heavy company,
5th Field Company, SA Engineers
18th Motor Brigade Signals
19th Field Ambulance, SAMC
24 Guards Infantry Brigade
1st Battalion, The Scots Guards
3rd Battalion, The Coldstream Guards
5th Battalion, Grenadier Guards
23rd (Army) Field Regiment, RA
42nd Field Company, RE
201st Guards Brigade Workshop, REME
24th Independent Brigade Group (Guards) Workshop, REME
550th Company, RASC
137th Field Ambulance, RAMC
226th Field Ambulance, RAMC
Battles,Skermishes, and Engagements
1944
ROME 22-May-44 04-Jun-44
Advance to the Tiber 22-May-44 04-Jun-44
Celleno 09-Jun-44 09-Jun-44
Bagnoregio 11-Jun-44 13-Jun-44
Allerona 15-Jun-44 15-Jun-44
TRASIMENE LINE 20-Jun-44 30-Jun-44
AREZZO 04-Jul-44 17-Jul-44
ADVANCE TO FLORENCE 17-Jul-44 10-Aug-44
Monte San Michele 18-Jul-44 20-Jul-44
Monte Domini 21-Jul-44 24-Jul-44
Monte Kili 21-Jul-44 23-Jul-44
Paula Line 30-Jul-44 04-Aug-44
GOTHIC LINE 25-Aug-44 22-Sep-44
Monte Porro del Bagno 15-Sep-44 18-Sep-44
Femmina Morta 17-Sep-44 18-Sep-44
Catarelto Ridge 28-Sep-44 03-Oct-44
Monte Vigese 30-Sep-44 06-Oct-44
Monte Stanco 07-Oct-44 13-Oct-44
Monte Salvaro 19-Oct-44 23-Oct-44
1945
BOLOGNA 14-Apr-45 21-Apr-45
Monte Sole 15-Apr-45 18-Apr-45
Camposanto Bridge 22-Apr-45 22-Apr-45
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Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Africa
Hi
you have a brief mention of Gen Pienaar ,i am trying to get info on his death and in particular a Lt WB Lloyd who was on board the aircraft ,This is part of a broader look into Lt Lloyd's military /flying career.
Any info would be appreciated
you have a brief mention of Gen Pienaar ,i am trying to get info on his death and in particular a Lt WB Lloyd who was on board the aircraft ,This is part of a broader look into Lt Lloyd's military /flying career.
Any info would be appreciated
Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Africa
A thought occurs ... the info on these pages on SA and Rhodesian forces is overwhelming Euro-centric. In the case of Rhodesia, the forces involved are so modest simply because there were so few Whites in Rhodesia at the time - 100,000 or so (including, I believe, Roald Dahl, who joined the RAF).
There were, in addition to these White combat forces vast numbers of Black in service, pioneer, and engineer units, and a bit later in combat units too. See, for example, Jackson, Ashley "Supplying War - The High Commission Territories' Military-Logistical Contribution in the Second World War", The Journal of Military History, Vol. 66, No. 3. (Jul., 2002), pp. 719-760.
Regards
Jon
There were, in addition to these White combat forces vast numbers of Black in service, pioneer, and engineer units, and a bit later in combat units too. See, for example, Jackson, Ashley "Supplying War - The High Commission Territories' Military-Logistical Contribution in the Second World War", The Journal of Military History, Vol. 66, No. 3. (Jul., 2002), pp. 719-760.
Regards
Jon
Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Africa
JonS wrote:...There were, in addition to these White combat forces vast numbers of Black in service, pioneer, and engineer units, and a bit later in combat units too...
I agree with your Euro-centric comment. Most HCT* units were raised as pioneer units, but later on ('later' in context roughly meaning from the invasion of Italy and onwards) they were employed in more roles than just menial labour - for example AA units and military police.
A brief blurb from Jackson's article, hopefully not cropped the new forum format willing:
A Pioneer Company had an establishment strength of 365 men.
It would be interesting to know what the 'breakdown' of East Africans at Tobruk meant.
*HCT=High Commission Territories, which were Bechuanaland, Basutoland and Swaziland - so, granted, not South Africa or Rhodesia, but definitely Southern Africa.
Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Africa
By the Way we are speaking about Rhodesia and South Africa, Can somebody provide a list of aircraft squadrons of both nations during WW2. IIRC one of the first Lancaster squadron was Rhodesian.
Thanks in advance
Max
Thanks in advance
Max
Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Afric
I was once told that the Cape field arty, took back the old insignia from 1891-1896, the crest of the Cape Colony, as to show the world where they came from.
Is there any facts that can back this up?? I have in my possesion one of these insignias.
/ Christopher
Is there any facts that can back this up?? I have in my possesion one of these insignias.
/ Christopher
Re: Let's build-South African/Rhodesian units in North Afric
Did anyone ever unearth any details on the Armoured Car Regiments?