Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Discussions on the personalities of the Wehrmacht and of the organizations not covered in the other sections. Hosted by askropp and Frech.
User avatar
Bernd R
Member
Posts: 4637
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 15:12
Location: Bavaria, Germany

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 06 Jul 2008 19:46

Added to the master list on [page 1]

Otto Janke (by Marcus via the grandchild)
Martin Rieder, Heinz Beckers, Nikolaus Ziegleder (rank) (by Drapeau Noir)

Karstjäger unit list (-> Gold) , list by Shawn + add&corr by Drapeau Noir
the award dates 15.02. 1945 are accurate ? the date 21.02. for those group of that time period can be crossed out ?

Just seen ; those will be added, too
Robert Matuschowsky, Cossak Gren. Rgt. 360, BKAb 10.04.45
Otto Brandt, 117 Jaeg.Div., BKAb 25.02.45
Bernd

User avatar
Bergmolch
Member
Posts: 818
Joined: 03 Oct 2004 18:01
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bergmolch » 07 Jul 2008 03:05

Bernd R wrote:Added to the master list on [page 1]

Otto Janke (by Marcus via the grandchild)
Martin Rieder, Heinz Beckers, Nikolaus Ziegleder (rank) (by Drapeau Noir)

Karstjäger unit list (-> Gold) , list by Shawn + add&corr by Drapeau Noir
the award dates 15.02. 1945 are accurate ? the date 21.02. for those group of that time period can be crossed out ?

Just seen ; those will be added, too
Robert Matuschowsky, Cossak Gren. Rgt. 360, BKAb 10.04.45
Otto Brandt, 117 Jaeg.Div., BKAb 25.02.45
Bernd
Thanks Bernd,

By the way Ziegleder, 2.\SS-KWB, got his BKAs on 30.01.45.
The award date was 15.02.45, you can cross 21.02 to me.
You didn't add Matuchowsky yet.

Cheers
T

User avatar
Bernd R
Member
Posts: 4637
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 15:12
Location: Bavaria, Germany

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 08 Jul 2008 17:32

Thanks Drapeau Noir !
Brandt and Matuchowsky added now as well as the date for Ziegleder.

I started a new unit list :
1. Kosaken-Kavallerie-Division
Anti-Partisan Badge in Bronze
Kech, Wilhelm, 03.02.1945, Leutnant, 1./Div.Aufkl.Abt. 55
Storck, Günther, 13.03.1945, Unteroffizier, 8./Sibir-Kosaken-Reiter-Rgt. 2
stumbled upon Kech's unit which was the recon unit of the Kos.Div., resp. 1. Kos.Kav.Div. [Div.Einheiten numbered "55"]

I presume there should be more of this division - of this divisions : Kosaken-Division , 1. and 2. Kosaken-Kavallerie-Division.

Bernd

User avatar
Bernd R
Member
Posts: 4637
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 15:12
Location: Bavaria, Germany

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 08 Jul 2008 22:35

Now I'm through the 19 pages of this thread I have corrected the above Kech into Koch, as this was the result on page 15.

The master list on page 1 is updated per today !
I have added 35 recipients (all marked blue at the moment) and I have crossed out two (Winter and Prank).
Number in total of recipients listed so far : 147

There is a new second part now : Holders per Unit

new lists added with BKAb holders for :
SS-Pol.-Rgt. "Schlanders"
Slovensko Domobranstvo - P.L. \ OZAK
provided by Drapeau Noir.

More about the re-start and the compilation of an improved and more complete master list soon.

regards
Bernd

User avatar
Bergmolch
Member
Posts: 818
Joined: 03 Oct 2004 18:01
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bergmolch » 09 Jul 2008 03:33

Walewski, Gerd, 14.01?.45?\01.05?.45, SS-Sturmscharführer, 4.SS-Pol.-Div., BKAb+BKAs (Source: Soldbuch, Copyright Ludwig WA Forum)
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
Bernd R
Member
Posts: 4637
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 15:12
Location: Bavaria, Germany

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 10 Jul 2008 20:38

Announcement

Hi all !

on initiative of Drapeau Noir, Marcus, and Shawn, I would like to ask you for further help and participation in this thread. We thought it could be an interesting and demanding attempt to achieve an improvement and expansion of the existing recipients list on page 1.

Many thanks to Klemen, Matt and all other participants for a great result already since the start many years ago !

148 men are listed now. Based on the approximate number of awards - 1.650 (Bronze) , 510 (Silver) , 47 (Gold) - very many are missing. Therefore the re-newed request to provide new recipients you know of.

Another point is the incompleteness of data for recipients listed. Eventually some details like rank, date or unit is known in the meantime - if so, please post any additions to existing entries !

As you see the "master list" has got a new layout.
The holders are listed with : name , first name , award date , rank , unit
Details not known appear with "??" ; questionable holders or data sets rather incomplete are marked red. Especially filling those gaps would be fine !
If you would post new recipients in the above style this is very much appreciated, thanks !

Please provide a source ! Those possible BKA holders of whom only name and first name or name and rank is given anywhere will be listed for the time being for further research, or you might say put "on hold".

What is intended to be an improvement of the list is the expansion with a feature which could be called "notes". In short, all known and available additional info/data will be added to the recipients entry. There is a lot in this thread already, surely as well around the forum (links, etc.).
So, all things like -> certificate - Wehrpass - signer - source - mentioned... - bestowal - Kampftage - addtional info / explanations , are planned as additions to the recipients basic data lines.
The addition of those features on page 1 has started already and will go on step-by-step. If you can provide such "plus adds" for new recipients this would be great !

Especially pics (men, docs) are a nice thing always. See the above post by Drapeau Noir ! 8-) :D
It is intended to have a link with the recipients entry to allow to shift to the respective post with photos. Done for a few already.

So, bit long, sorry !
Thanks for your attention and thanks in advance for any contributions !
Bernd

User avatar
Bernd R
Member
Posts: 4637
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 15:12
Location: Bavaria, Germany

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 11 Jul 2008 19:11

Heiden, Wilhelm Heinrich Franz, 12.10.1944, (Kriegsmarine) - BKAb
addition :
Kraftfahrobergefreiter d.R. , K.d.K. [since 03.07.1944]

source : WASt, Berlin , via the family genealogy site : http://www.ende-genealogy.de/wast.htm

Bernd

User avatar
Bernd R
Member
Posts: 4637
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 15:12
Location: Bavaria, Germany

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 13 Jul 2008 21:43

Krumhaar Dr. Waldemar, ??, Kapitänleutnant (MA) d.R., K.d.K.-Verbände - BKA?
addition :
Kapitänleutnant d.R. z.V. , Leiter [Kdr] des Marine-Einsatzkommando (M.E.K.) 80 / K.d.K.

sources :
Tessin
M.E.K.s online here : http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/km ... nd/mek.htm
rank and position by Dieter Zinke here :
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1&t=126776

Bürger, Karl-Heinz, 30.10.1944, SS-Oberführer u. Oberst der Polizei, ?? - BKAb
addition :
SS und Polizei-Führer [SSPF] in Mittelitalien[-Verona] / HSSPF Italien
[~ "Einsatzkommando Bürger"]

sources :
http://www.specialcamp11.fsnet.co.uk/SS ... FCrger.htm
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 8&t=139642

Bernd

User avatar
Bernd R
Member
Posts: 4637
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 15:12
Location: Bavaria, Germany

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 13 Jul 2008 22:09

von dem Bach-Zelewski, Erich, Nov 1944, SS-Obergruppenführer - BKAs
according to the obvious facts the additions / specifying are :
SS-Obergruppenführer u. General der Polizei u. W-SS [1.7.44]
Chef der Bandenkampfverbände [acting: K.G. Korpsgruppe "von dem Bach" (in suppression of Warsaw Uprising)]

Interestingly on his own account in the "Nürnberger Prozeß", on 7 Jan 1946
http://www.zeno.org/Geschichte/M/Der+N% ... agssitzung
he wasn't aware (or didn't recall? or didn't want to recall?) the BKA award !
Ich war Höherer SS- und Polizeiführer Rußland-Mitte, mit Unterbrechung einiger Fronteinsätze und einer längeren Erkrankung, von zirka einem halben Jahre, bis Ende 1942, wo ich zum Chef der Bandenkampfverbände ernannt wurde
...
OBERST TAYLOR: Welche Auszeichnungen erhielten Sie während des Krieges?

VON DEM BACH-ZELEWSKI: Ich habe in diesem Kriege die Spangen zum Eisernen Kreuz I. und II. Klasse, das Deutsche Kreuz in Gold und das Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes erhalten
...
DR. STAHMER: Ist Ihnen nicht bekannt, daß Sie von Hitler und Himmler besonders belobt und gerade wegen Ihres harten und erbarmungslosen Durchgreifens bei der Bandenbekämpfung ausgezeichnet worden sind?

VON DEM BACH-ZELEWSKI: Nein, ich habe keine Auszeichnung für die Bandenbekämpfung bekommen, sondern ich habe alle [548] meine Auszeichnungen von der Spange zum E. K. II angefangen an der Front verdient und sie von der Wehrmacht bekommen. Die Namen will ich gern nennen
[No, I didn't receive an award for the "Bandenbekämpfung"...]

So, is this a case of what in german is called "Zwangsbeglückung" !?
that is, he was awarded by Hitler and Himmler on their right, don't asking him, even don't having a kind of talk or debate about it.

anyone ?

Bernd

User avatar
Bernd R
Member
Posts: 4637
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 15:12
Location: Bavaria, Germany

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 13 Jul 2008 22:14

Haltermann, Hans, ??, SS-Gruppenführer, ?? - BKAb
Gottberg, Curt von, ??, SS-Obergruppenführer u. General d. W-SS u. Polizei, ?? - BKAs
What about those high ranking men ? Any additional data available ?

Bernd

User avatar
Bernd R
Member
Posts: 4637
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 15:12
Location: Bavaria, Germany

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 13 Jul 2008 22:21

- new -

Pucher, Franz, 01.06.1944, Unteroffizier, 13./Jäg.Rgt. 749 / 117. Jäg.Div. - BKAb

source : Besitzzeugnis (+ other documents)
http://www.janssen-militaria.com/oscomm ... anguage=de

IF there is no objection re: the authenticity ; said to be the official blank [Vordruck] .
the document experts say ok ?

Bernd

User avatar
Bergmolch
Member
Posts: 818
Joined: 03 Oct 2004 18:01
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bergmolch » 14 Jul 2008 03:49

Bernd R wrote:
von dem Bach-Zelewski, Erich, Nov 1944, SS-Obergruppenführer - BKAs
according to the obvious facts the additions / specifying are :
SS-Obergruppenführer u. General der Polizei u. W-SS [1.7.44]
Chef der Bandenkampfverbände [acting: K.G. Korpsgruppe "von dem Bach" (in suppression of Warsaw Uprising)]

Interestingly on his own account in the "Nürnberger Prozeß", on 7 Jan 1946
http://www.zeno.org/Geschichte/M/Der+N% ... agssitzung
he wasn't aware (or didn't recall? or didn't want to recall?) the BKA award !
Ich war Höherer SS- und Polizeiführer Rußland-Mitte, mit Unterbrechung einiger Fronteinsätze und einer längeren Erkrankung, von zirka einem halben Jahre, bis Ende 1942, wo ich zum Chef der Bandenkampfverbände ernannt wurde
...
OBERST TAYLOR: Welche Auszeichnungen erhielten Sie während des Krieges?

VON DEM BACH-ZELEWSKI: Ich habe in diesem Kriege die Spangen zum Eisernen Kreuz I. und II. Klasse, das Deutsche Kreuz in Gold und das Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes erhalten
...
DR. STAHMER: Ist Ihnen nicht bekannt, daß Sie von Hitler und Himmler besonders belobt und gerade wegen Ihres harten und erbarmungslosen Durchgreifens bei der Bandenbekämpfung ausgezeichnet worden sind?

VON DEM BACH-ZELEWSKI: Nein, ich habe keine Auszeichnung für die Bandenbekämpfung bekommen, sondern ich habe alle [548] meine Auszeichnungen von der Spange zum E. K. II angefangen an der Front verdient und sie von der Wehrmacht bekommen. Die Namen will ich gern nennen
[No, I didn't receive an award for the "Bandenbekämpfung"...]

So, is this a case of what in german is called "Zwangsbeglückung" !?
that is, he was awarded by Hitler and Himmler on their right, don't asking him, even don't having a kind of talk or debate about it.

anyone ?

Bernd
I would suppose so, since there is a picture of him wearing the BKA.
http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=60094

Cheers
T

User avatar
Bernd R
Member
Posts: 4637
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 15:12
Location: Bavaria, Germany

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 19 Jul 2008 18:59

Thanks, T
has to be connected with Warsaw in the end.


Two Sturms are listed - it is one and the same man after my research
Obergefreiter Hans Sturm - APBb (5/44)
Leutnant Sturm Hans Hermann Bronze 05.44 29/07/1920 Dortmund
It should be
Sturm, Hans, 5/44, Fahnenjunker-Feldwebel, Inf.Rgt. 871 / 356. Inf.Div. - BKAb
[Italy]
The first enlisted man, wearing both the RK and the DKiG, in 1942 !

Bio on "Ritterkreuzträger 1939-1945.de" :
http://www.ritterkreuztraeger-1939-45.d ... m-Hans.htm
about Lt. d.R. a.D. Hans Sturm
http://www.wilhelm-radkovsky.de/berichte.htm#DOK21
with an excerpt of his autobiography
"Hans Sturm - Seine Kriegserlebnisse und die langen Jahre der Gefangenschaft"
A last confirmation and eventually more details should be to find there. Anyone ?

Hans-Hermann Sturm (listed with the birth date of Hans Sturm ; Hans-Hermann : 12.07.1917, Hagen/Westfalen) was awarded the KC on 09.06.1944 as Olt., Chef 3./Stug.Brig. "GD" [Veit Scherzer, "Ritterkreuzträger"]. A StuG man of "GD" is almost to rule out to have reached 20 days of anti-partisan fighting I tend to say.

Bernd

User avatar
Bernd R
Member
Posts: 4637
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 15:12
Location: Bavaria, Germany

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bernd R » 19 Jul 2008 19:04

Is information available in the meantime to get more complete data sets for those ?

Reich, Otto, ??, SS-Oberführer, ?? - BKA?

SS-Ostubaf. Friedrich Suhr - APBsi


Bernd

User avatar
Bergmolch
Member
Posts: 818
Joined: 03 Oct 2004 18:01
Location: United Kingdom

Re: Die Bandenkämpfer - Holders of Bandenkampfabzeichen

Post by Bergmolch » 19 Jul 2008 20:44

Bernd R wrote:Thanks, T
has to be connected with Warsaw in the end.


Two Sturms are listed - it is one and the same man after my research
Obergefreiter Hans Sturm - APBb (5/44)
Leutnant Sturm Hans Hermann Bronze 05.44 29/07/1920 Dortmund
Bernd
Same man of course.

Return to “The Dieter Zinke Axis Biographical Research Section”