Knight's Cross Holders Identification

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by VJK » 31 Oct 2008 19:33

Hi!

Who is this please? The signature looks like Schneckenburger, but the face doesn't. The first name is Wilhelm.

Many thanks in advance,

VJK
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COOMPLETELY LOOOST

Post by Stauffenberg II » 02 Nov 2008 11:56

Sirs,

I am completely lost. The pic of VJK shows allegedly GdI Wilhelm Schneckenburger. At least this is what the signature or the caption says.

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A confirmation for this guess is that in the ribbon bar the person is clearly showing a Württemberg, Militär-Verdienstorden, Ritterkreuz, which was received by Schneckenburger.

If this person is Schneckenburger Freiherr´s correct guess is that the pic below is Schneckenburger too:

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However the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek, listing pics of the Sammlung Hoffmann, is stating that Schneckenburger (retouched however) looked like:
Rudolf Konrad / AHF id / see next page
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See:
http://elektra.bsb-muenchen.de/jsp/fram ... timeout=10

Finally we have two Options for Schneckenburger not bearing the slightest resemblance to each other in my opinion. Strange.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Elwyn W » 02 Nov 2008 12:37

Hi Jürgen,

The bsb Muenchen pic could be a very young Schneckenburger early in his career. The mouth and ears at least did not contradict. It was so air-brushed and the general collar patches must be added on. The Kai Winkler pic was inscribed on the back addressed to a couple of HJ's and clearly said Wilhlem Schneckenburger. Sometimes people just aged into such a different look. Eberhard Rodt (ever seen how skinny he was when he was int he Reichsheer) and Erich Heinrich Clössner are just two good examples.

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Freiherr

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by VJK » 02 Nov 2008 13:52

Hi gents!

Many thanks for putting my mind at rest. I agree with Freiherr that the bsb Muenchen pic is most likely an airbrushed much younger Schneckenburger. It's nice to finally see a "proper" portrait of this camera-shy General.

Best regards,

VJK

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by miocid » 02 Nov 2008 15:28

Hi guys!
Please let me get into your discussion.
First of all, thanks to VJK for the nice pic he has posted.
I have to recognize that it is the first picture I have seen of SCHNECKENBURGER, so I have to assume he is the real one for the writting on the back of the picture.
As for the picture showed by Stauffenberg II taken from the Bayerische Staatsbibliothek I always was suspecious, because it looked to me, and now I am convinced , that the general that it has been considered so far as SCHNECKENBURGER is really RUDOLF KONRAD.
I hope you agree with me that some (not many) identifications made in great Archives (Bundesarchiv, BPK, Bayerische Staatsbibliothek, NARA.... , you name them) are erroneous and this is one of them.
I would like to hear your comments and let´s keep on searching!
Best regards.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by FANGIO » 06 Nov 2008 17:14

Four unknown rkts. I've seen the general before but I can't remember his name right now.
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 06 Nov 2008 18:33

Fangio,

different pic of the same ceremony http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 65#p818165
identified :
86. ID ceremony, from left to right :
Matthias Poll - Gen Weidling - Erwin Zilger - Karl-Heinz Jaeger

They are standing in the same succession above.

Bernd

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by FANGIO » 06 Nov 2008 19:17

Great! Thank you very much Bernd!
Best,

FANGIO

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by FANGIO » 07 Nov 2008 02:42

This pic was posted by "Larry L" from http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com forum. The ID given is Reinhold Knacke but Knacke won his RK as an Oblerleutnant. So, who's this man then?
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by robertmoore » 07 Nov 2008 02:54

Hello, Fangio,

You asked about the last pic posted on Page 218. It is indeed mis-identified. It is not a picture of Reinhold Knacke. It is indeed a picture of Stabsfeldwebel Heinz Nacke, who was a pilot in the 3rd Gruppe of KG/76 at the time of his KC award.

Hope this helps.


Take care.

Terry

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by FANGIO » 07 Nov 2008 03:42

So, it's Nacke and not Knacke. Thanks a lot Terry!
Best,

FANGIO

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by FANGIO » 07 Nov 2008 03:47

Hi again Terry.
Are you sure about Nacke. Look here
http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de/index_sea ... word=nacke

He won the rk as a Hptm not as StFw.

:?

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Ruslan M » 07 Nov 2008 06:22

robertmoore wrote:Hello, Fangio,

You asked about the last pic posted on Page 218. It is indeed mis-identified. It is not a picture of Reinhold Knacke. It is indeed a picture of Stabsfeldwebel Heinz Nacke, who was a pilot in the 3rd Gruppe of KG/76 at the time of his KC award.

Hope this helps.


Take care.

Terry
Hello, Terry,

I think you mean Rudolf not Heinz Nacke, who was gruppenkommandeur in KG 76. :wink:

Best wishes. :)

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Ruslan M » 07 Nov 2008 06:37

Another unknown RK holder, looks like very similar, maybe Bruno Kahl but I doubt? :?

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