WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Larrister » 29 Mar 2009 12:02

Thanks Jeff.
Thanks for posting your very nice wedding portraits.

In your top photo the officer is wearing a foreign award beside the EK2.
Is it a Romanian Order of Crown or maybe the Romanian Officers' Cross?

Here is another photo where a medal has been removed from the ribbon.
You can see where the medal was attached to the ribbon.

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Post by Larrister » 29 Mar 2009 12:04

Ribbon without medal beside the silver War Merit Cross with Swords.
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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Jeff McCulloch » 29 Mar 2009 15:07

Hi Larrister!
RCO I think. Romanian always confuses me-a profusion of orders.
I always wondered about that one. I think it's the Ost medal-but odd not to have it there huh?
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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Vikki » 29 Mar 2009 19:08

More great photos, Larry and Jeff. Jeff, glad you've joined the thread!

Larry, interesting comments on your photo at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0#p1315170:
Larrister wrote:The bride in these photos looks old enough to be the groom's mother.
I don't know, she doesn't look so old to me, given her complexion. I think the hat and rather severe hairstyle may make her look older than she is at first glance.

Larrister wrote:She may have been married before and that is why she is not in white.
I have been told that portrait couples that show the woman with flowers but not in white are most probably anniversary
photos.
This may be the case with some photos but there was a shortage of white material for brides dresses especially during the war years and the dresses had to be made from anything that was available, even from curtain material.
I've wondered whether the old rule about the bride not wearing white for any wedding other than the first was true during the Third Reich. I had also wondered whether the photos below were of weddings, but both the white dress on first wedding only etiquette and the factor of wartime contingencies make sense.

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Vikki » 29 Mar 2009 19:15

Below, Police NCO with SA Sports Badge and First War Wound Badge. As with your photo, Larry, I think the bride (if we assume it's the woman on the left, since she's holding the flowers and seems to be wearing some sort of tiara?) looks older than she probably is, at least partly because of the severe hairstyle.

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by MrPeanut05 » 29 Mar 2009 23:49

Some more from my collection!
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Post by Larrister » 30 Mar 2009 09:00

Vikki wrote:More great photos, Larry and Jeff. Jeff, glad you've joined the thread!

Larry, interesting comments on your photo at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 0#p1315170:
Larrister wrote:The bride in these photos looks old enough to be the groom's mother.
I don't know, she doesn't look so old to me, given her complexion. I think the hat and rather severe hairstyle may make her look older than she is at first glance.

Larrister wrote:She may have been married before and that is why she is not in white.
I have been told that portrait couples that show the woman with flowers but not in white are most probably anniversary
photos.
This may be the case with some photos but there was a shortage of white material for brides dresses especially during the war years and the dresses had to be made from anything that was available, even from curtain material.
I've wondered whether the old rule about the bride not wearing white for any wedding other than the first was true during the Third Reich. I had also wondered whether the photos below were of weddings, but both the white dress on first wedding only etiquette and the factor of wartime contingencies make sense.

~Vikki
Hi Vikki

The reason I thought that she may have been married before is because she looks older than the groom (very matronly in fact).
She is wearing civilian clothing but does have white or cream ribbons with her flowers.

Of course you may be right about the rather severe hairdo and clothing. Sometimes the studio lighting back then also made them look older.

Nice photos by the way, I like the Polizei portrait.

Jeff:

Nice photos. :D

Here's a Polizei photo in my collection. His shoulder boards show that he is a WACHMEISTER uber 4 Jahre (over 4 years duty) in the Schutzpolizei d. Reich.

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Larry
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Post by Jeff McCulloch » 30 Mar 2009 13:20

another one:
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Post by Jeff McCulloch » 30 Mar 2009 13:24

and one from May, 1944:
...note the late war medal bars-
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Post by Larrister » 31 Mar 2009 11:18

Hi Jeff

Nice photos. I especially like the top photo showing the Eastern Front (Winterschlacht Im Osten) medal being worn.

Here's another of mine.

The groom is wearing an RAD Long Service Medal, a Czech Anschluss Medal with the Prague Bar, a Hitler Youth membership badge and a DRL badge.

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Post by Jeff McCulloch » 31 Mar 2009 12:32

a sailor:
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Post by Jeff McCulloch » 31 Mar 2009 12:33

and a younger sailor:
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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Sewer King » 05 Apr 2009 04:01

One photo where both bride and groom are apparently in “undress” wear, in plainer clothes than many other such photos:
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from Brian L. Davis’ German Army Uniforms and Insignia 1933-1945 (Arco, 1977, also Arms and Armour Press), page 158
This is one of six wedding photos Davis used for various dress uniform illustrations in his commonly-available general reference book.

I tend to like plainer-looking and plainer-dressed subjects among wedding photos anywhere. Certainly there are beautiful brides and handsome grooms among so many of them, and that’s naturally played up for the photo as part of the occasion. But without the finer dresses and uniforms -- or whether or not it’s a military wedding – it makes me look more at the couple itself.

Because we don’t or can’t know the couples in these or many other old wedding photos, they take on a sort of mythical quality. This can happen even though we fully know they were people like any other at the time. Military wedding photos from wartime, or just before, might also make a first-time viewer wonder whether or not the subjects survived their times.

The longer you pause over any historical photo, the more intrigue it might raise, especially with unknown figures from a known time. Even if it’s only to some lesser extent rather than greater. By nature all photographs are split-second glimpses into a context that can be lost over time.

A historical study can recover some of that lost context with reasoned observations about the photo, like we are inclined to do about the medal bar on the soldier’s Waffenrock, or the building in the background. But fine uniforms are widely-covered in great detail as a subject. And since wedding photos are often taken against studio backdrops or unidentifiable locations, they can be harder to place.

Instead then, it might be natural to imagine some human context for the unknown couples in them. Though it isn’t a historical approach a historian might feel the same if –- like us -- he or she is as intrigued as anyone else.

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by MrPeanut05 » 06 Apr 2009 01:27

More along the lines of the more plain clothed female bride - this shot must have been taken right after their wedding - notice the MOET champagne - neat!

Like the thread!
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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by MrPeanut05 » 06 Apr 2009 01:52

A few more -
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