Knight's Cross Holders Identification

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by caraqchi71 » 28 Apr 2009 15:39

any idea?
source e bay
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by alexspb » 28 Apr 2009 16:03

chris44 wrote:you re welcome alexspb

the picture with Rubesch, Dietrich etc
was taken October 24th, 1959 in Regensburg
(as per information of Karl Spreitzer)

chris
chris thank you once more, do you know what*s the meeting it was?
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by John Toner » 28 Apr 2009 16:38

Could it be Christian Braun? There is a similarity and he is the only NCO whose photo I have seen with the PVA and the attachment on his EK2 ribbon. He also has a Close Combat Clasp but he may have earned that later.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by robertmoore » 28 Apr 2009 18:15

Hello, John,

It is Christian Braun. I have not seen that pic of him before, but the other pic I have of him with the Oakleaf decoration is compares very favorably with the pic of him receiving the KC. He also had four tank-destruction badges at the time of his being awarded the Oakleaf decoration to the KC.

Hope this helps.

Take care.

Terry

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by caraqchi71 » 28 Apr 2009 18:34

Tanks John and Terry.
Best regards
Carlo

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by chris44 » 28 Apr 2009 21:52

Hi Alex!

It was a meeting of Ordensgemeinschaft der Ritterkreuzträger
at those early day austrians attended
later on it became very rare

chris



the picture with Rubesch, Dietrich etc
was taken October 24th, 1959 in Regensburg
(as per information of Karl Spreitzer)

chris[/quote]

chris thank you once more, do you know what*s the meeting it was?
Best regards
alex[/quote]

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by chris44 » 28 Apr 2009 22:12

Concerning Kuno Hoffmann
Here a photo which "hopefully" allows to ID him
exactly on page 92

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 28 Apr 2009 23:21

Shifted to the index, thanks Chris !
Kuno Hoffmann
Kuno Hoffmann
Maybe we have a Murphy's Law in a kind of "independent life" of pages with different browsers ? :? I've had always page 92 as a significant one with the start of the NAFA pic series (WB Norwegen collection).

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 29 Apr 2009 00:30

2nd round review done up to page 114.
Those two group pics with many personnel weren't yet listed or re-asked. In case somebody would like to confirm and/or to correct, preliminary set on the confirmations list.
KG 53 group pic - I've added a summary of ids and comments on this

Biblio 10 group pic (better quality) , same pic, with persons numbered down the page

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 29 Apr 2009 00:42

This one was identified already. Just a confirmation for Jauer perhaps ?
Friedrich Memmert , presented by Georg Jauer

For any reason (most likely doubted later in the thread) I have a note "check" for Loch.
Herbert Loch
The reference we have - Loch definite (autograph) Herbert Loch

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 29 Apr 2009 00:49

Finally what might be called the RAD / Ewald Quest / Heinz Korn case.
page 90 : RAD Flak pic
Was identified as Ewald Quest by Dieter. Later identified as Heinz Korn by Terry.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by robertmoore » 29 Apr 2009 03:22

Hello, Bernd,

The picture on page 93 listed as 360.jpg is General Herbert Loch. I think the "check" you had of the picture on page 4 relates to the discussion concerning that pic being more in line with a photograph of General Loch as opposed to the current id being Kurt von der Chevallerie.

I agree with Stauffenberg II that the fact that "von der Chevallerie" is shown wearing glasses argues in favor of it being someone other than von der Chevallerie. I possess several different views of von der Chevallerie and none show him wearing glasses.

Additionally, the facial and skull features of the general on Page 4 argue for that of being General Herbert Loch. I do not think the rhetorical question Stauffenberg II posed was ever satisfactorily answered.

However, I think that there is still sufficient doubt as to the real identity of the depicted officer on Page 4 currently id'd as General Kurt von der Chevallerie.

Just my thought on the subject, as you had indicated that this was an issue yet to be conclusively decided.

Take care, and I will certainly vouch for the id of General Jauer awarding the KC to Friedrich Memmert.

Terry

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by robertmoore » 29 Apr 2009 03:32

Hello, again, Bernd,

A definite confirmation of the award of the KC to Friedrich Memmert presented to him from the hand of General Georg Jauer. I have a pic of the award ceremony in which Mr. Memmert specifically identified the General shown presenting him with the Knight's Cross. Thought I would pass that on to you.

Concerning Ewald Quest and my id'ing him as that of Heinz Korn, I was in error. That picture is indeed of Ewald Quest. Sorry for the mistake on that, as I was under the misleading impression that Heinz Korn was the only member of the RAD to be awarded the Knight's Cross. I apologize to you and others for that.

Thank you.

Take care.

Terry

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 29 Apr 2009 12:45

Hi Terry,

fine, all done what's clear. Of note : I've moved the separate Quest thread to this forum - the other RAD personnel aspect wasn't answered ever. Ewald Quest (KC Flak) visits RAD-Flak

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 29 Apr 2009 13:11

Terry, and all,

Yes, and spot on, out of the few discussions - this or that general - , you've brought it to the right track what still seems to be an irritating and not finally answerd CASE indeed.
The Kurt von der Chevallerie / Herbert Loch / another general ? case.

It's about the page 4 pic, Yes (confirmations list) : Kurt von der Chevallerie

I've two arguments right now : facial features don't match ; not a real match with the Kurt von der Chevallerie photo I have stored as the standard one (in front of the "curtain"), see attachment (converted to paint only this one due to some weired technical reasons).

What makes it a case, is that he is said to be Kurt von der Chevallerie and part of a 4 men EL ceremony at Rastenburg ; see here, from the "Awards personally bestowed by Hitler sticky" - with the full pic (with undoubtedly Gollnick, Wiese and Schlemmer) : http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 78#p420378

The pic attached allows the conclusion IMO that he was wearing a monocle (left eye!).

Maybe this was solved in the meantime over in the generals id ??

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