Knight's Cross Holders Identification

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 18 Jul 2009 16:52

The index is updated.

Not identified (last pages)
page 284 : RK Verleihung Mai 1945.jpg

page 285 : Mölders and a RKT

page 286 : 28jager.jpg , 2664904 321.jpg

Crossed out from the confirmations list (p. 140, not Tanzer) ; same pic id'ed
Hans Wolff, Aufkl.Stff 1.(F)/124


Here is my 2nd round review for the pages 134 - 150 .

Crossed out from the no id list :
Klaus Scholtz
Dönitz with U-Boot cdrs, Angers/France, summer 1943 : Rösing, x, Dönitz, Zapp (hidden), Scholtz, Schulz, Winter, Lehmann-Willenbrock and Kuhnke
and U1.jpg , page 134 (all added to the index)

Page 150 contains the same fake like post war imposter, hence all the awards etc. His real name is Rudi Wolfmüller

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 18 Jul 2009 17:03

On page 139 appears the same KG 53 group pic like on page 105. This Biblio one was handled and captioned preliminary. Here is again this entire story - added to the group pic section - , looks voluminous, but it isn't.

Lw ceremony, KG 53 "Legion Condor": Karl Christmann - Heinz Gutmann - Heinz Zöllner - Ernst-Ascan Gobert - Johann Dreher - Karl Rauer

= the same pic, page 105 (Biblio) / confirmations list : KG 53 group pic

The id of the ceremony pic was more "is" than speculation and should be ok. Eventually there is the question only if it is Zöllner - Dreher or vice versa.

This one we had also can be used for cross-check :
II. Gruppe / KG 53 "Legion Condor" : Gruppen-Kdr Herbert Wittmann with his Staffelkapitäne, resp. Staffelführer. (4./5./6. Staffel) : Dietrich Kornblum, Staffelfhr. 4./KG 53 , RK: 09.06.1944 - Heinz Zöllner, Staffelkptn. 6./KG 53 , RK: 05.04.1944 - Herbert Wittmann, Kdr. II./KG 53 - Johann Dreher, appointed Staffelführer 5./KG 53 in june 44 ? , RK: 05.04.1944 as Flugzeugfhr. i. d. 5./KG 53

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 18 Jul 2009 17:13

Finally a short next chance for a few of the all-time most requested :
s Cross Holder.jpg
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 1#p1029511 (Källner, with ??)
pic by Ivan

and probably these can be solved easily ?
Stamer_Heinz_SBV.jpg - is it Kurt Loewer ?
Konteradmiral Böhmer.jpg

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by John Toner » 19 Jul 2009 13:17

I thought the 's cross holder' on 139 had been identified as Josef Block. If not already mentioned, I think he is the one.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 19 Jul 2009 18:52

Hi John,

sorry, for any reason I havn't bought it in the first index round, maybe due to the slight, but corrected name confusion back then. So, on the way to the index then, and down another double (your original id), too (page 184)
Soldat.jpg - Josef Block, 5./GR 2 ? ; not Johann Bloch , Ofw. !
There should be one more double at least in the lower pages. Thanks for a hint who finds it.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 19 Jul 2009 19:09

Here is a "case" really with a contradiction and I can't proceed with the index process or a correction.
Just added to the group section, based on the id by chris44 - man to the right = Gransee
NCO group : Georg Rietscher - Hugo Primozic - Georg Gransee
These group of three is commonly and widely addressed like that. But we had an id of a single pic (cut-off) of the "third man" :
Franz Zwer
It was id'ed by Terry if I recall corecctly. Comments / statements ?
Are there proofs and/or convincing arguments for a positive id of Zwer in fact ?

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 22 Jul 2009 12:47

The 2nd round review is done for the pages 151 to 180 .

Crossed out from the no id list, as there were ids detected now :
Karl-August Paulsen (John and Ingo)
Georg Pfeiffer (freiherr and others)
(connected to and matches with the other Pfeiffer pics on pp. 176, 177 ; Jordan for sure, too)
4. PD, Hptm Schäfer award ceremony : Clemens Betzel - Gerlach von Gaudecker-Zuch - Kurt Schäfer, PGR 33 - Wilhelm Westermann (George)

A mistake of the pic captions is corrected (my fault to confuse "0011" - "11.jpg") :
Heinz Zöllner on the index, whereas
11.jpg has no id

With the series of 4. Pz.Div. photos this one remained open : Clip_5.jpg - Karl Küspert ?

This one with reverse text - showing personnel of Art.Rgt. 240 / 170. ID -
RKidhelp.jpg
is open ; already suggested (senior/older officers) : Heinz Werner, Hermann Tietz ; Walter Huß would be the other possibility of higher ranked AR 240 officers.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by chris44 » 22 Jul 2009 15:44

hi
page 174
picture "unknown" below K.A.Paulsen
could be GERHARD VOIGT PiBtl.18


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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by robertmoore » 23 Jul 2009 02:39

Hello, Bernd,

On page 175, listed as 11.jpg is a photograph of Hauptmann Günther von Falkenhayn. KIA on 3 Jan 1944 as a Hauptmann und Kompaniechef.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by robertmoore » 23 Jul 2009 03:06

Hello, Bernd,

Regarding the id I had made of Franz Zwer on Page 286, after checking the background of both Zwer and Gransee, to make certain of this, I find that the enlisted man depicted in that color photograph is indeed Georg Gransee rather than Franz Zwer for the following reasons:+

1. After comparing the photographs I have of Georg Gransee with the enlisted man in that color shot, there is a similarity of ears.
2. Gransee belonged to a Panzer Regiment, Franz Zwer belonged to Grenadierregiment 530.
3. The piping in the garrison cap is red, denoting the panzer branch of the German Army. Not possible with Franz Zwer. A detail I had inadvertently overlooked. I am truly sorry about that.

What made me consider Franz Zwer as the man depicted:

1. I had corresponded with his widow many years ago and the picture she had sent me and others I had seen of him bear a very strong resemblance to the enlisted man depicted in that color photograph.
2. I possess the same color photo in my own collection and was so identified in that photograph.

That is it. Sorry about the confusion, but the resemblance between those two is very close and without the fact that the pic is a color shot, it would be even more difficult to discern the difference between the two.

Thank you very much and, I apologize for the confusion.

Take care.

Terry

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by robertmoore » 23 Jul 2009 03:32

Hello, again, Bernd,

Page 169, listed as unknown1.jpg is a depiction of Christian Lotse.

Hope this helps.

Take care.

Terry

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Ste » 23 Jul 2009 11:25

Help!It's some days that I'm trying to find a RKT with no success.He was an Hauptmann, and if I remember well he was decorated by Scherer for action in Cholm but he was killed about 5 weeks after been decorated, probably May-June 1942. He was surely older than 40, I think 45.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 23 Jul 2009 11:37

Ste,

quick shot, the KC recipients directly connected to Cholm (=in pocket) besides Scherer (KC and OL) are :
Werner, Gerhard 23.02.1942 Oberleutnant Chef 5./Jagd-Kdo 8
and from 218. Inf.Div. :
Biecker, Albert Dipl.-Ing. 18.03.1942 Hauptmann der Landwehr Chef 9./Inf.Rgt 386
Manitius, Johannes 03.04.1942 Oberstleutnant Kdr Inf.Rgt 386 [= Ia Kgr. ; Kampfkommandant]

Albert Biecker was KIA May 1 1942 "bei Cholm" [according to Scherzer, RKT]. So, you look for him I guess.

He was in discussion here. Not sure this second about the result. Take a look on the index and/or make a topic search (top left). We come back on him in the context of the id.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by chris44 » 23 Jul 2009 11:45

Hi
it must be Biecker
as Manitius survived the war and Werner was killed 1944 in greece

Biecker was 45 and killed a few weeks after beeing awarded :D

Hauptmann der Landwehr
Biecker Dipl.Ing., Albert
* 15.09.1897 Attendorn/Westfalen
+ 01.05.1942 i. d. Festung Cholm
Ritterkreuz am: 18.03.1942
als: Hauptmann der Landwehr
Funktion: Chef 9./InfRgt 386

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Ste » 23 Jul 2009 12:28

Yes!it was Biecker that I was searchig!
Thanks!
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