Knight's Cross Holders Identification
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The original request by LRRPS - page 220, directing to pic "nafa83" -> but identified as Franz Ketterl - is solved, too. (see topic search result #4 or go to page 220). The pic I posted once for comparisn is in a way open ; but such a bad quality, we can leave this out.
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
chris44,
Gerhard Voigt is on the confirmation list.
Early award in France 1940. It would be most interesting and helpful to determine that trench scene. In France, or Russia already, think 1941, when ranked Hauptmann (looks like). The "Allgemeines Sturmabzeichen" is a hint for..? Instituted June 1 1940, but I have not at hand when issued for the first time. (during June/July 1940 my hypothesis this second)
Terry,
thanks for this great and all-explaining reply !!
Everytime I join you in the rows of us kept in some difficulties and mistakes/confusions ! You did such a lot for the progress of this id process.. what to say, just let's keep on rolling.
Lotze and von Falkenhayn done. Zwer/Gransee corrected. It is hard to see in that jpg. version - but the branch color of panzer-rosa [pink] definitely is a key point, now you say it !
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Bernd
Gerhard Voigt is on the confirmation list.
Early award in France 1940. It would be most interesting and helpful to determine that trench scene. In France, or Russia already, think 1941, when ranked Hauptmann (looks like). The "Allgemeines Sturmabzeichen" is a hint for..? Instituted June 1 1940, but I have not at hand when issued for the first time. (during June/July 1940 my hypothesis this second)
Terry,
thanks for this great and all-explaining reply !!

Lotze and von Falkenhayn done. Zwer/Gransee corrected. It is hard to see in that jpg. version - but the branch color of panzer-rosa [pink] definitely is a key point, now you say it !
Best regards
Bernd
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
I stumbled upon this one on the confirmations list and I think everyone has to agree with two clear ids - by Ruslan and Terry - and it is long overdue to take it on the index. (there was no feedback when on the agenda)
Oskar Radwan, with text backside
Id by Ruslan with photos for comparisn (page 268) :
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 4#p1328084
and what Terry said back then :
Attached is another shot of Radwan for comparisn from a Poland Campaign album provided here : http://www.militaria-archive.com/poland ... dex_2.html
/ Bernd
Oskar Radwan, with text backside
Id by Ruslan with photos for comparisn (page 268) :
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 4#p1328084
and what Terry said back then :
I change my point of view fromConcerning the discussion on Page 268 regarding the autograph of "Iwand" or "Krauß", as I had thought it was at first, I can find no listing for an Army officer whose background would fit the photograph. After due consideration, I would also have to agree with Ruslan M that it is Fritz Iwand. It is certainly not a photo of Radwan.
to : this reads "Iwand", nothing else.Still a bit cautious
Bernd
Attached is another shot of Radwan for comparisn from a Poland Campaign album provided here : http://www.militaria-archive.com/poland ... dex_2.html
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Hi
a very old one on page 56
picture "RKT.jpg"
is this man
Köllner, Jürgen
* 16.01.1918 Welikije Ustjuk/Bez. Wologda/Russland
+ 08.10.1944 Tarnow/Polen
Ritterkreuz am: 04.05.1944
als: Hauptmann
Funktion: Kommandeur II./GrenRgt 671
http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de/index_sea ... word=kölln
a very old one on page 56
picture "RKT.jpg"
is this man
Köllner, Jürgen
* 16.01.1918 Welikije Ustjuk/Bez. Wologda/Russland
+ 08.10.1944 Tarnow/Polen
Ritterkreuz am: 04.05.1944
als: Hauptmann
Funktion: Kommandeur II./GrenRgt 671
http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de/index_sea ... word=kölln
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
page 189
picture "unb flak 311"
should be
THEODOR SCHWABACH
chris44
picture "unb flak 311"
should be
THEODOR SCHWABACH
chris44
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page 276
picture "unb rkt goebbels lutze.jpg"
first man from left JOACHIM MEISSNER (Meißner)
second from left OTTO ZIERACH
the man next to Goebbels on his left side is HORST VON PETERSDORFF
and
the first man on the very right side of the photo is LUDWIG KLOTZ
chris44
picture "unb rkt goebbels lutze.jpg"
first man from left JOACHIM MEISSNER (Meißner)
second from left OTTO ZIERACH
the man next to Goebbels on his left side is HORST VON PETERSDORFF
and
the first man on the very right side of the photo is LUDWIG KLOTZ
chris44
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
Excellent, chris44, done !
The French Campaign RKT photo added to the group section as well as used for single entries for von Petersdorff, Klotz and Zierach.
There is another photo of Theodor (Theo) Schwabach in North Africa (on the index) ; this is on the no id list simultanously as the man to the left is open :
page 273 : 1.jpg (BA) left
This id is almost impossible. On the other hand there is a high probability that this has to be Reinhard Melzer. Can't proof it. If there is no objection I would suggest to put this on the confirmation list for the time being.
Hypthesis / arguments :
Right now there are all I./Flak-Rgt. 33 RKT - North Africa campaign - with photos on the index, except Melzer.
under 5. leichte Division :
It looks like that I have named it a BA pic wrongly. Should be a time period newspaper photo and the final solution appears to be to trace this publication ultimatively.
/ Bernd

The French Campaign RKT photo added to the group section as well as used for single entries for von Petersdorff, Klotz and Zierach.
There is another photo of Theodor (Theo) Schwabach in North Africa (on the index) ; this is on the no id list simultanously as the man to the left is open :
page 273 : 1.jpg (BA) left
This id is almost impossible. On the other hand there is a high probability that this has to be Reinhard Melzer. Can't proof it. If there is no objection I would suggest to put this on the confirmation list for the time being.
Hypthesis / arguments :
Right now there are all I./Flak-Rgt. 33 RKT - North Africa campaign - with photos on the index, except Melzer.
under 5. leichte Division :
later :I. Abteilung / Flak – Regiment 33 (mot) :
(assigned since arrival in Africa feb 1941 ; aug 1941 -> Lw command, 19. Flak-Div)
10. Fromm, Walter 05.07.1941 Hauptmann Kdr I./Flak-Rgt 33 (mot)
11. Melzer, Reinhard 30.06.1941 Unteroffizier Geschützführer i. d. 1./Flak-Rgt 33 (mot)
12. Schwabach, Theo (Theodor) 30.06.1941 Oberleutnant Chef 1./Flak-Rgt 33 (mot)
In a first attempt, the only thing which can be done on base of the photo is to compare the face and its features to Fromm, Heintze and Huebner. After further consideration the two of 3./33 could be ruled out. Also Fromm, based on the assumption, the photo was shot, when visiting the positions of 1./33, that is Schwabach and one of his Geschützführer = Melzer.Heintze, Erich 07.03.1942 Unteroffizier Geschützführer i. d. 3./Flak-Rgt (mot) 33
Huebner, Arnold 07.03.1942 Gefreiter Richtkanonier i. d. 3./Flak-Rgt (mot) 33
It looks like that I have named it a BA pic wrongly. Should be a time period newspaper photo and the final solution appears to be to trace this publication ultimatively.
/ Bernd
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page 73 : unk stuka pilot.jpg - Alfons Orthofer ?
mvc-001s-nsx20.jpg - Heinz-Günter Amelung and Orthofer ?
Already identified by freiherr. Just a short re-do. Objections ?
The Hauptmann is for sure Heinz-Günther Amelung. I would confirm Orthofer, too. Makes it a shot during the time period July 1942 (Amelung, 5./StG 77, RK 15.07.42) - October 1942 (Orthofer, KIA as Kdre. StG 77 on 12.10.1942).
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mvc-001s-nsx20.jpg - Heinz-Günter Amelung and Orthofer ?
Already identified by freiherr. Just a short re-do. Objections ?
The Hauptmann is for sure Heinz-Günther Amelung. I would confirm Orthofer, too. Makes it a shot during the time period July 1942 (Amelung, 5./StG 77, RK 15.07.42) - October 1942 (Orthofer, KIA as Kdre. StG 77 on 12.10.1942).
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page 74 : who is this? by Balsi
Turned out almost impossible for me to trace this Lw general. Is it possible that this is a card of an actor !?
In fact there exist such actor autographs parallel to movies.
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Turned out almost impossible for me to trace this Lw general. Is it possible that this is a card of an actor !?
In fact there exist such actor autographs parallel to movies.
/ Bernd
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Hi
picture on page 247 "sevastopol RKT.jpg"
and the same on page 276 "unb rkt Goebbels Fromm Hase.jpg"
shows Ritterkreuzträger
GEORG "GEO" MÜLLER
Inf.Rgt. 321
chris
picture on page 247 "sevastopol RKT.jpg"
and the same on page 276 "unb rkt Goebbels Fromm Hase.jpg"
shows Ritterkreuzträger
GEORG "GEO" MÜLLER
Inf.Rgt. 321
chris
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I think it's a fake. Luftwaffe Generaloberst with Flying Clasp and named Oskar?Bernd R wrote:page 74 : who is this? by Balsi
Turned out almost impossible for me to trace this Lw general. Is it possible that this is a card of an actor !?
In fact there exist such actor autographs parallel to movies.
/ Bernd

But maybe other member know better?
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
Hello, Bernd,
I agree with AlifRafikKhan. That Lw Generaloberst has to be a fake. For one thing, he looks too young to have occupied that exalted rank and there is no Lw GO with the name of Oskar.
Also, on Page 74, not that it matters that much, but the officer awarding the RK to Fritz-Rudolf Schulz is General der Panzertruppen Dietrich von Saucken. This may have been so indicated later on, but I could find nothing there to id the awarding officer.
Take care, and thanks, Bernd, for your kind words.
Terry
I agree with AlifRafikKhan. That Lw Generaloberst has to be a fake. For one thing, he looks too young to have occupied that exalted rank and there is no Lw GO with the name of Oskar.
Also, on Page 74, not that it matters that much, but the officer awarding the RK to Fritz-Rudolf Schulz is General der Panzertruppen Dietrich von Saucken. This may have been so indicated later on, but I could find nothing there to id the awarding officer.
Take care, and thanks, Bernd, for your kind words.
Terry
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
Hello Gentlemen,
Back to my Id of Ernst Sorge (page 129 - Teil 1(top)), I have found nice photo of him and attached it for comparison.
Also I have some thoughts about other pictures from this pages:
Teil 1 (bottom) - Autograph says Hanns Heise, but I am pretty sure it's Walter Sigel on the picture.
Teil 2 (Top,left) and Teil 3 (bottom, right) - My opinion, both picture it's Richard Heller from ZG 26. (Specific eyebrows and cut of eyes matched)
Best wishes
Ruslan
source: http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de/ and http://hotlinecy.com/smcollection.htm
Back to my Id of Ernst Sorge (page 129 - Teil 1(top)), I have found nice photo of him and attached it for comparison.
Also I have some thoughts about other pictures from this pages:
Teil 1 (bottom) - Autograph says Hanns Heise, but I am pretty sure it's Walter Sigel on the picture.
Teil 2 (Top,left) and Teil 3 (bottom, right) - My opinion, both picture it's Richard Heller from ZG 26. (Specific eyebrows and cut of eyes matched)
Best wishes
Ruslan
source: http://www.das-ritterkreuz.de/ and http://hotlinecy.com/smcollection.htm
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification
Hi Ruslan,
thanks for pointing to this. The administrative handling was still not good. Status quo was and is : entirely on the "no id" list - captioned - no shift to the index done. I have edited the captions now according to your latest. For a better overview and to denote the status quo this is the preliminary entry on the no id list right now :
Let's this round decide about the shifting to the index and what finally remains on the "no id" in order to deal with this big series on the current agenda.
Best regards
Bernd
thanks for pointing to this. The administrative handling was still not good. Status quo was and is : entirely on the "no id" list - captioned - no shift to the index done. I have edited the captions now according to your latest. For a better overview and to denote the status quo this is the preliminary entry on the no id list right now :
Sorge is 100% convincing to me ! No final impression on Sigel and Heller at the moment. What do the others say ?page 129 : series: Teil 1,2,3,.jpg
Teil 1.jpg : top : Ernst Sorge -> confirmed, see p 289 - middle, left : Adolf Weiß - middle, right : Hans Schalanda - bottom : id :Hanns Heise ; other id : No, but Walter Sigel
Teil 2.jpg : top left : Richard Heller ? - top, right : Erbo Graf von Kageneck - bottom, left : Hans-Heinz Augenstein - bottom, right : Josef Seibel
Teil 3.jpg : top : ? - bottom, left : Karl-Heinz Jaeger - bottom, right : Richard Heller ?
Let's this round decide about the shifting to the index and what finally remains on the "no id" in order to deal with this big series on the current agenda.
Best regards
Bernd