Knight's Cross Holders Identification

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by chris44 » 03 Aug 2009 23:23

definitely
Eduard Hauser
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 04 Aug 2009 16:13

btw., Happy Birthday George Lengyel !

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by robertmoore » 05 Aug 2009 00:34

Hello, Bernd,

Just a comment concerning your request for a confirmation of the photo on Page 197 regarding the award of the KC to Michael Fischer on the left and the Hauptmann on his left which has been id'd as Will Haegele.

Michael Fischer was awarded the KC on 8 Apr 1943. Presumably, this depiction is an accurate representation of that award ceremony, since he is shown shortly after being awarded the decoration.

According to Fellgiebel and von Seemen, it would be impossible for that officer on his left to be Willi Haegele, since he was awarded the KC on 30 Oct 1944. I would suggest it to be someone other than Willi Haegele, because it would be an impossibility for Willi Haegele to be wearing the Knight's Cross a full year before he had been awarded the decoration.

Just an observation, and request your thoughts.

Take care.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 05 Aug 2009 14:44

Hi Terry,

Yes, exactly the same I have in mind about this case. The irritation (mine at least) is caused by the potential id of Hägele I think. So, we can view at this and make assumptions and draw conclusions, all this from different angles - minimum three results we should have right now :

Willi Hägele , page 138 / index - this is him for sure. There is a similar photo without visor cap he usually signed. (I know of)
Whereas on the photo in question (page 197) : left : Michael Fischer - right : ?? - it is not him on the right. Left side it is Michael Fischer for sure.

As well as it is Michael Fischer in these two other pics from the same series. I agree that this has to be the award ceremony in April (May perhaps) 1943.
Michael Fischer - early shot, the presentation
2 - Michael Fischer - framed by three RKT

The re-newed question is : who are the three others ? What Flak-Rgt. !?
I./Flak-Rgt. 14 (Fischer) was in Northern Russia since Sep 1942, assigned to Flak-Rgt. 18 (Stab) / 6. Flak-Division. The ceremony looks like carried out back home in a garrison.
The only other I./14 KC Holder is Ogefr. Schulte, 6/42. Also under the leading staff of Flak-Rgt. 18 during the fitting time period were : II./36 , I./64 , I./501 , and le.Abt. 75. (could be one explanantion, that former RKT of those other Abteilungen took part in this ceremony (?)).

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by chris44 » 05 Aug 2009 19:53

Hi
a final confirmation for picture on page 233
RAD RKT Rudolf Bornhof

Picture is used in book
Der Reichsarbeitsdienst
Dokumentation der Geschichte und Entwicklung
Nation Eruopa Verlag
ISBN 3-89555-242-9
(= source of picture)
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by goofy » 05 Aug 2009 22:14

General Emilio Esteban-Infantes...
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Ruslan M » 06 Aug 2009 03:06

Hello,

Two unknown Rk holders.

source: http://www.germancombatawards.com/index.php
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by chris44 » 06 Aug 2009 08:06

Hi

Picture "image15.jpg"

is OTTO HEYMANN
KC on 17.03.1945
Leutnant and Führer 8./PzRgt 31

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by chris44 » 06 Aug 2009 08:15

picture "image13.jpg"

is
WERNER NEUMEYER

KC on 23.10.1944 as
Leutnant and Zugführer I./PzRgt 26

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 06 Aug 2009 20:44

page 240 : 3219137.jpg
..should be Helmut Thumm . Facial features match, award clasp matches, decorated by Karl Allmendinger, Kdr. 5. Inf.Div., Kdr. still ! Inf.Rgt. 56 = no "Jäger" badge on upper right arm, the only higher officer fitting to 5. ID + Allmendinger.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 06 Aug 2009 20:55

Supplement to this one of the 2nd round review :
page 191 : 2.jpg , 1.jpg (again) , since long time unsolved requests by our CiC Marcus
same person here on page 233 : better version + visible Party District Commemorative Badge

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by chris44 » 06 Aug 2009 22:56

page 116
KC of Bundeswehr
picture "135.jpg" (Marine)

is ALBERT MÜLLER
KC 13.12.1943 as Kapitänleutnant
Kommandant S 59 i. d. 3.Schnellbootflottille

BW 16.03.1960 - 30.09.1971
last rank: Kapitän zur See

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Dieter Zinke » 06 Aug 2009 23:25

page 116
KC of Bundeswehr

the Generalleutnant (Luftwaffe) is Helmut Mahlke (KC16.07.1941),
former Flotillenadmiral (nick-name in the Bundeswehr: "Generaladmiral")

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Ruslan M » 08 Aug 2009 02:39

Many thanks for Heymann and Neumeyer, Chris! :D


Best wishes

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 08 Aug 2009 09:52

All done, Thumm, RK ceremony, on the confirmation list.

Here is the 2nd round review for the pages 211 - 240 :

Added to the index :
Walther Risse and Adolf Strauß. Ids by Gregg. Not yet found the original request, but a reference now anyway.

Added to the No Id list : (possibly a double request)
page 234 : be58_1

The second pic added to the group section : allows a confirmation of Hptm. Hauptmann, too, perhaps
5. Pz.Div. , RKT March 1943 , ceremony : Gerhard Niemeck - Hans Hauptmann, Kradschtz.Btl. 55 [to be confirmed 100%] - Heinrich Becker
other view on 5. PD photo above : Gerhard Niemeck - Hans Hauptmann - Heinrich Becker


Two requests repeated here :
confirmation list : Johann Straub, Pz.Jg.Abt. 7

page 215 : Hauptmann_StG5.jpg
No id ; with the discussion on pp. 215,216 ; Blasig, Pape, ??

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