Knight's Cross Holders Identification

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Denis » 08 Nov 2009 19:39

docarchiv wrote:Hello,

5. Gebirgsjägerdivision I think!

docarchiv
See page 335

This is RK Verleihung for Obst. Hartwich Haellmigk

KR
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by docarchiv » 08 Nov 2009 20:33

Hello,

thank you everbody for this great number of identified pictures. Want to wish you a good night with a Adalbert Schnee photograph!

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 08 Nov 2009 21:59

Denis,

welcome back to the forum !

I have done the administration of your comeback round (captions, index). Of note a few cases.

The Kurt Rohlfs id :
3 Pio officers : Karl Pabst - Christoph Duncker - Kurt Rohlfs
at first glance the man depicted on THE 20. PGD site -> http://www.20pzgrendiv.eu/Personen/Pi20 ... 20Kurt.htm looks different ; but it is the same man IMO, the hair style is significant.


The Theodor Prost id.
you said :
see page 310
This is RK Verleihung for Theodor Probst.
In the same ceremony, Oblt. Gottfried Donat was also bestowed the RK

confirmed ; another pic by docarchiv, identified earlier :
Gren.Rgt. 519 ceremony : Alfred Druffner - Theodor Prost - Erich Jaschke - Gottfried Donat
So, the presenting Offz. should be Gen. Jaschke (behind Prost), although the quality of this particular pic is too bad to say something definitely IMO.


There are two ids now - shifted to the confirmations list :
Heinz Ewald ? or Otto Debus ?


page 313 : 38 KiB - Wolfgang Darius ?
I also don't agree to Darius.

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Post by Bernd R » 08 Nov 2009 22:42

freiherr wrote:
VJK wrote:Hi!

Can anyone please identify this Eichenlaubträger?

Regards,

VJK
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 15#p788315

Hi Bernd,

Seriously great job you and others have done! I am forever grateful.

This is not Abraham in our humble opinion. Terry Moore and I have decided it looks more like GenMj Warrelmann. An eichenlaubträger very late in the war.

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Hello Freiherr,

thank you.. :oops: ..hm, this is an interesting and multiple case you point to. I'm not sure if we have one or two cases because this has potential for confusion I think.

The photo captioned Warrelmann you provided the previous page (no source.. :x ) is to underline your argument. docarchiv and John say No, this doesn't show Warrelmann, it is swords holder Wilhelm Wegener. Right ?

I agree with the colleagues. Arguments (by chance both relevant pics I have in mind are on page 301) :
1) identified -> Wilhelm Wegener
a) the same man for me
b) the very same occasion ! for me (he is exhausted, eyes !); EL ; the style of wearing the cap ! it is on his right side down

2) the third from left on this pic is the later Genmaj. and OL holder Hinrich Warrelmann

result 1 : if not convinced we need more Wegener and Warrelmann pics.


The real case / case 2 !?
This is not Erich Abraham ?
Do the others share this objection ? The argumention used above is out of the play in my point of view.

result 2 : can we have more Abraham pics ? do I have to put this on the confirmations list ?


/ Bernd

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by docarchiv » 09 Nov 2009 07:05

Hello,

I would be carefull with Rohlfs. The head is different, the ears seem to be different. Maybe I am wrong.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by John Toner » 09 Nov 2009 07:47

Darius ID: The ears are not the same.
Rohlfs ID: The hair and face shape are not the same.

John

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by joerg » 09 Nov 2009 08:10

Bernd r wrote:
There are two ids now - shifted to the confirmations list :
Heinz Ewald ? or Otto Debus ?
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 8#p1376328

Could`t be Heinz Ewald. His last rank was only Leutnant, but the pic shows an Oberleutnant. When I compare it with my collection I come to the same answer, probably Otto Debus.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Anil » 09 Nov 2009 14:54

Unknown unteroffizier or feldwebel

source : WAF
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Bernd R » 09 Nov 2009 17:32

Re : 3 Pio officers : Karl Pabst - Christoph Duncker - Kurt Rohlfs
I have to agree to the objections expressed. The man to the right doesn't seem to be Rohlfs..!?

/ Bernd

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Elwyn W » 10 Nov 2009 02:35

Hi Bernd,

Here's Abraham. He was such a dapper man who reminds me of Dirk Bogarde that it's hard to imagine him being scruffy. ( Source of left hand pic from this forum itself, middle is so generic I am hard pressed to know from where. The right was from Ebay -- I know it is not good enough but most of the time sellers are so unknowledgeable they wouldn't know what they are selling, let alone remember what they sold!)

I am not a good student on this thread so I did not see Wegener being identified ( I promise I will be better once I am done with Heer and LW generals and KM admirals, not to mention SS and RAD 8O 8O ). Sure, same man. I didn't think of Wegener because you rarely see him without all his decorations.

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Ruslan M » 10 Nov 2009 10:12

Hi,

Page 175 - 2.jpg - may it be Alois Weber?

and page 335 - yhst-321 WH RKT.jpg - bad quality, but I will suppose it maybe Friedrich Fangohr - commander of 122. Infanterie-Division (ears and smile wrinkles matched in my view)

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Someone from Kharkov » 11 Nov 2009 07:57

Picture from the book "Hitler Youth and the 12.SS-Panzer-Division Hitlerjugend 1933-45" by Tom Cockle & Ronald Volstad, Concord Publications, 2004.
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Denis » 11 Nov 2009 18:22

docarchiv wrote:Hello,

the same man!

docarchiv
Hello everybody

See page 336
This should be Werner Schmidt from KG 55

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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification and Photo Database

Post by Denis » 11 Nov 2009 18:26

docarchiv wrote:See p313 : this is the Panzer officer

I would say this is Wolfgang Darius

KR
Denis

Hello,

don't agree with Darius. Darius has no hanging earlobes.

docarchiv
Hallo Docarchiv
You're right !
The ear are not matching with Darius' ones so the mystery remains about this Panzer officer.
Sorry
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Re: Knight's Cross Holders Identification

Post by Denis » 11 Nov 2009 18:39

Bernd R wrote:Denis,

welcome back to the forum !

I have done the administration of your comeback round (captions, index). Of note a few cases.

The Kurt Rohlfs id :
3 Pio officers : Karl Pabst - Christoph Duncker - Kurt Rohlfs
at first glance the man depicted on THE 20. PGD site -> http://www.20pzgrendiv.eu/Personen/Pi20 ... 20Kurt.htm looks different ; but it is the same man IMO, the hair style is significant.


The Theodor Prost id.
you said :
see page 310
This is RK Verleihung for Theodor Probst.
In the same ceremony, Oblt. Gottfried Donat was also bestowed the RK

confirmed ; another pic by docarchiv, identified earlier :
Gren.Rgt. 519 ceremony : Alfred Druffner - Theodor Prost - Erich Jaschke - Gottfried Donat
So, the presenting Offz. should be Gen. Jaschke (behind Prost), although the quality of this particular pic is too bad to say something definitely IMO.


There are two ids now - shifted to the confirmations list :
Heinz Ewald ? or Otto Debus ?


page 313 : 38 KiB - Wolfgang Darius ?
I also don't agree to Darius.

/ Bernd
Hallo Bernd
Thanks for your words.

Regarding the RK Verleihung for Theodor Probst, see page 325, there is a very good picture of Druffner, Probst, Jaschke and Donat. There was also Arthur Kullmer attending the ceremony but he is unfortunately not shown here.

Regarding the Debus/Ewald case, I am rather comfortable with Otto Debus: this officer was awarded the RK as an observer in an Aufkl.Staffel and as such it is normal he is shown wearing a Beobachter Abzeichen on his jacket.
Heinz Ewald was a fighter pilot belonging to the famous JG 52. As such, he would have borne a Pilot badge.
The Observer badge can be seen on the photo.
Heinz Ewald ? or Otto Debus ?

Regarding Darius, yes, unfortunately this is not him. Sorry :(

Let me finish this thread to thank you for the daily work you are performing here.
DDenis

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