Sorry in turn, but you do realize that the "throat, nose and ear and stomach, White bread Divisions [sic]" was actually a specific formation that was nowhere near Normandy? And that since I never mentioned anything of the sort - simply stating that it was the "bulk of the infantry opposition" - your remark is rather an obvious strawman?Lightbob wrote:Sorry Rich but comparing fighting Elite Panzer Divisions supported by Nebel werfer Brigades to Fighting throat, nose and ear and stomach, White bread Divisions is certainly simplifying things a bit is certainly simplifying things.
And you might be able to tell me where you sourced such a claim from? Since you are the one making it?You may ba able to tell me that the US 4th Armoured division in one of its operations in Normandy unloaded its A/P rounds and replaced them with .50 Cal MG ammunition, because it would be more usefull in the forthcoming action.
Which "most histories" would those be? The ones that indicate that it was incompletely trained? In terms of time, which is not the same as being poorly trained? That was a problem endemic to Ob. West, not to 17. SS.Rich according to most Histories the 17 SS Panzer Division was the weakest and most poorly trained in France.
Bob
It was seriously short in terms of officers and NCOs, but that was a common problem by that time. It's mobility was poor, but that was consequential only in terms of operational mobility, and in terms of weaponry it was quite strong.