INFO: Captured artillery in use 1.3-1944

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INFO: Captured artillery in use 1.3-1944

Post by Erik E » 10 Jul 2003 16:44

These interesting numbers show actually how many captured weapons were in use. 45,5% of all artillery in use in 1944 were captured!!!

Area: German artillery: Captured artillery:

Eastern front 6472 1488
Geb A.O.K20 Lappland 375 119
A.O.K Norwegen 316 974
Ob.West 1133 3786
Süd-Ost (Balkan, Yugoslavia) 870 1156
Süd-West (Italy) 970 739
Denmark 55 223

Total: 10191 8485

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Post by Erik E » 10 Jul 2003 16:46

Hmmmm. This doesn`t look good when I paste from txt files!

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Post by Erik E » 10 Jul 2003 16:47

Here is ALL the captured weapons in use 1.3-1944:

Belgisch:

7,5cm FK 234(b) Can. 75 Mle 16 GP II .... 38 Stück
7,5cm FK 235(b) Can. 75 Mle TR .... 154 Stück
7,5cm FK 236(b) Can. 75 Mle 16 GP III .... 195 Stück
7,5cm FK 260(b) Can. 75 FRC .... 40 Stück
12 cm K 370(b) Can. 120 L Mle 1931 .... 24 Stück
15,5 cm K 432(b) Can. 155 L Mle 1924 .... 8 Stück

Total:.... 459 Stück

Französisch:

7,5 cm FK 231(f) Can. 75 Mle 1897 .... 683 Stück
7,5 cm FK 237(f) Can. 75 Mle 1919 S .... 4 Stück
7,5 cm Kan. 232(f) Can. 75 Mle 97/33 .... 8 Stück
7,5 cm Geb.K 238(f) Can. 75 M Mle 1928 .... 18 Stück
10,5 cm le.FH 324(f) Can. 105 Court Mle 1934 S .... 50 Stück
10,5 cm le.FH 325(f) Can. 105 Court Mle 1935 B.... 62 Stück
10,5 cm Kan. 331(f) Can. 105 Mle 1913 S .... 608 Stück
10,5 cm Kan. 332(f) Can. 105 Mle 1936 S .... 120 Stück
14,5 cm Kan. 405(f) Can. 145 L Mle 15 St.Ch .... 64 Stück
15,5 cm S.FH 414(f) Can. 155 C Mle 1917 S .... 782 Stück
15,5 cm S.FH 415(f) Can. 155 C Mle 12 St.Ch .... 12 Stück
15,5 cm Kan. 416(f) Can. 155 L Mle 1917 S .... 340 Stück
15,5 cm Kan. 418(f) Can. 155 GPF .... 221 Stück
15,5 cm Kan. 419(f) Can. 155 GPF-T .... 22 Stück
15,5 cm Kan. 420(f) Can. 155 L Mle 16 St.Ch .... 71 Stück
15,5 cm Kan. 425(f) Can. 155 L Mle 1918 S .... 65 Stück
19,4 cm Kan. 485(f) Can. 194 GPF sur chenilles .... 15 Stück
19,4 cm Kan. 585(f) .... 6 Stück
22,0 cm Mrs. 531(f) M 220 C 16 S .... 163 Stück
22,0 cm Kan. 532(f) Can. 220 L Mle 17 S .... 52 Stück
24 cm Kan.(E) 557(f) Can. de 240 T84 .... 3 Stück
28 Cm Mrs. 601(f) Mort. 280 (14/16 S) .... 2 Stück
27,4 Cm Kan. (E)592(f) Mat. 274 Mle 17 Rayè à droite ....3 Stück
32 cm Kan.(E) 651(f) Mat. 320 Mle 84 Rayè à gouche.... 9 Stück

Total:.... 3383 Stück

Hollandisch:

7,5 cm FK 243(h) .... 169 Stück
10,5 cm Kan. 335(h) Mod. 27 Bofors .... 31 Stück

Total: ....200 Stück


Jugoslawisch:

7,5 cm FK 239(j) 75 mm M4 Krupp .... 23 Stück
7,5 cm FK 249(j) 75 mm M12 .... 84 Stück
7,5 cm FK 284(j) 75 mm M7 .... 21 Stück
7,65 cm FK 304(j) 80 mm M28 .... 3 Stück
10,5 cm Le.FH 316(j) 100 mm M14/19 .... 66 Stück
10 cm FH 317(j) 100 mm M28 .... 34 Stück
10,5 cm Kan. 338(j) 105 mm M13 .... 38 Stück
10,5 cm Kan. 339(j) 105 mm M36 Skoda .... 10 Stück
15 cm Kan. 403(j) 150 mm M28 .... 12 Stück
22 cm Mrs. 583(j) 220 mm M28 .... 5 Stück

Total:.... 296 Stück

Griechisch:

8,5 cm KH 287(g) 85 Mod 1927 .... 1 Stück
10,5 cm Kan 340(g) 105 Mod 1927 .... 3 Stück

Total:.... 4 Stück

Norwegisch:

7,5 cm FK 246(n) 7,5 cm FK L31 M/01 .... 77 Stück
7,5 cm FK 247(n) 7,5 cm FK M/11 .... 8 Stück
10,5 cm Kan. 337(n) 10,5 cm FK 28,8-04 .... 13 Stück
12 cm Le.FH 376(n) M32 .... 8 Stück

Total: ....106 Stück

Englisch:

7,62 cm FK 261(e) 13 Pdr .... 9 Stück
8,38 cm FK 271(e) QF 18 PR Mark I, II & III .... 22 Stück
8,76 cm FK 281(e) QF 25 PR MkI on MkIV P .... 50 Stück
8,76 cm FK 282(e) QF 25 PR MkI on MkIV VP .... 4 Stück
9,4 cm JKH 302(e) 3,7 Inch Howitzer .... 2 Stück
11,4 cm Kan. 365(e) 4,5 Inch gun MkI .... 6 Stück
15,2 cm S.FH 412(e) BL 6 Inch How MkI .... 21 Stück

Total:.... 114 Stück

Tschechisch:

7,65 cm FK 5/8, 17, 18(t) .... 81 Stück
7,65 cm FK 300(t) .... 60 Stück
7,65 cm FK 30(t) ....126 Stück
10 cm Le.FH 14/19(t) .... 254 Stück
10 cm Le.FH 30(t) .... 19 Stück
10 cm Kan. 35(t) .... 72 Stück
14,9 cm S.FH 15(t) .... 7 Stück
15 cm S.FH 14/16(t) .... 68 Stück
15 cm S.FH 37(t) .... 40 Stück
15 cm Kan 15/16(t) .... 8 Stück
21 cm Kz.Mrs(t) .... 15 Stück
30,5 cm Mrs(t) .... 6 Stück

Total:.... 756 Stück

Polnisch

7,5 cm FK 97(p) .... 26 Stück
7,5 cm FK 02/26(p) .... 90 Stück
10 cm Le.FH 14/19(p) .... 47 Stück
10,5 cm Kan. 29(p) .... 22 Stück
22 cm Mrs(p) .... 7 Stück

Total:.... 192 Stück

Russisch:

7,62 cm JKH 290(r) 76-1927 .... 225 Stück
7,62 cm FK 295(r) 76-02/30 .... 110 Stück
7,62 cm PAK 36 76-36 .... 1 Stück
7,62 cm PAK 39 76-39 .... 359 Stück
7.62 cm Geb.Kan. 307(r) 76-1938 .... 21 Stück
10,7 cm Kan 352(r) 107-1910/30 .... 17 Stück
12,2 cm Le.FH 388(r) 122-1910/30 .... 23 Stück
12,2 cm Kan. 390(r) 122-1931/37 .... 200 Stück
12,2 cm Kan. 396(r) 122-38 ....281 Stück
15,2 cm KH 433(r) 152-1937 .... 217 Stück
15,2 cm S.FH 443(r) 152-1938 .... 3 Stück
20,3 cm Haub. 503(r) 203mm M 1931 .... 8 Stück

Total: ....1465 Stück
Italienisch:

6,5 cm Geb.H.216(i) C 65/17 .... 55 Stück
7,5 cm Fk 237(i) C 75/27 Mod 06 .... 212 stück
7,5 cm Fk 244(i) C 75/27 Mod 11 .... 262 stück
7,5 cm Fk 245(i) C 75/27 Mod 12 .... 1 stück
7,5 cm Fk 248(i) C 75/32 Mod 37 .... 48 stück
7,5 cm Fk 254(i) O 75/18 M 34 .... 50 stück
7,5 cm Le.Fk 254(i) O 75/18 M 35 .... 1 stück
7,5 cm Flak 7,5/27(i) 7,5/27 .... 12 Stück
7,5 cm Flak 7,5/46(i) 7,5/46 .... 23 Stück
7,6 cm Flak 7,5/40(i) 7,6/40 .... 59 Stück
7,7 cm Flak 7,7/28(i) 7,7/28 .... 25 Stück
9 cm Flak 9,0/53(i) 9,0/53 .... 65 Stück
10 cm Le.FH 315(i) O 100/17-04 .... 133 Stück
10 cm Geb.H 316(i) o 100/17 Mont. .... 64 Stück
10,5 cm Kan. 105/29(i) C 105/29 .... 2 Stück
10,5 cm Kan. 320(i) C 105/32 .... 28 Stück
10,5 cm Kan. 336(i) C 105/40 .... 3 Stück
10,5 cm Kan. 338(i) C 105/27 .... 104 Stück
12 cm Kan. 120/40(i) C 120/40 .... 3 Stück
13,5 cm Kan. 135/40(i) C 135/40 .... 8 Stück
14,9 cm S.FH 400(i) O 149/12 M14 .... 63 Stück
14,9 cm S.FH 401(i) O 149/13 .... 46 Stück
14,9 cm S.FH 404(i) O 149/19 .... 121 Stück
15 cm Kan. 149/35(i) C 149/35 .... 3 Stück
15 cm Kan. 150/40(i) C 150/40 .... 3 Stück
15,2 cm Kan. 411(i) C 152/45 .... 4 Stück
15,2 cm Kan. 412(i) O 152/13 .... 25 Stück

Total: ....1423 Stück
Last edited by Erik E on 12 Jul 2003 16:14, edited 2 times in total.

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Post by Erik E » 10 Jul 2003 16:48

OOPs..Double post :oops:

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Post by daveh » 10 Jul 2003 17:07

Very interesting as ever Erik E

I don't suppose you have any numbers for artillery weapon stocks, German or captured on other dates????

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Captured artillery.

Post by musec » 10 Jul 2003 17:19

Hello Erik

I don't suppose that your source gives any breakdown on either where or with which units the guns were serving? I'd be particularly interested in discovering whih items were in use in Italy and Yugoslavia. I guess it's fairly safe to assume that this would apply to the items from these countries, but if yor information does provide any further information on geographial or unit distribution, it would be great if you could post it here.

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Post by Marcus » 10 Jul 2003 17:21

Impressive work Erik!

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Post by Erik E » 10 Jul 2003 17:33

I don't suppose that your source gives any breakdown on either where or with which units the guns were serving?


Correct! The list is every piece of artillery in the entire Wehrmact, so I guess some 1000+ units would have to be listed.........

I don't suppose you have any numbers for artillery weapon stocks, German or captured on other dates????


I have numbers from 1.9-1939, and a list of some 15000 weapons scrapped in 1943.......

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 10 Jul 2003 22:31

Hi Erik!

Interesting figures.
Apparently beside the ones that were in use by the Germans, they had quite vast number of guns at depots.

The Germans offered Finland Nov-43, for sale, 60 122mm Howitzers mod 30 and 200 152mm H/38. Finland ordered them Jan-44. 17th Feb-44 Germans announced that 125 152H/38 existed. 57 of them reached Finland, the first 18th March-44.
Also 27 152mm H/37 were bought, they arrived 26th Feb and 18th March-44
Ammo for them was only availlable for the H/37.
Off topic, but Finnish captured 152mm similar weapons in Finnish use: 39 pieces of H/37 and 45 pieces of H/38.

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Post by daveh » 12 Jul 2003 11:08

Hi Eric
If you are willing to spend the time further postings of numbers of artillery pieces would be very interesting.

Do you know why ... and of course what .. so many were scrapped in 1943? Were these obsolete?, worn out? damaged? or simply there was insufficient man power tio use them?

Many thanks for your always interesting posts and great pics!!

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Post by Erik E » 12 Jul 2003 16:04

Hallo!

About the guns scrapped in Dec.43, there was a decicion called "Rüstungskonzentration" done in May 1943.
The reason for scrapping was lack of ammunition, spareparts and some were worn out....

Numbers in (_)

5cm Grw 203(f) (12739)
6cm Grw 205(r) [998]
6cm Grw 225(f) (727)
8,1cm grw (f) (484)
10,7cm Geb.Grw 328(r) (224)
17cm Grw M15 [18]
22cm Minenwerfer M17(j) (54)
26cm Minenwerfer M17(t) (6)

2,5cm Pak 112+113(f) (22)
3,7cm IK 152(f) (33)
5,7cm Pak 208(r) (9)
7,5cm FK M8(g) (47)
7,5cm FK 239(j) (60)
7,5cm FK 294(j) [48]
7,5cm Geb.K 228(b) (3)
7,62cm FK 294(r) [78]
7,62cm Geb.K 307(r) (104)
7.62cm Geb.k 293(r) (73)
8,5cm K.Haub. 287(g) (5)
10,5cm Geb.H 323(f) (5)
10.7cm K352(r) (167)
10,7cm K353(r) [8]
11,4cm Le.FH 362(r) (46)
11,4cm Le.FH 361(r) (9)
12cm Le.FH 373(h) (33)
12,2cm Le.FH 386(r) (314)
12,2cm Le.FH 388(r) (1812)
15cm S.FH(t) + (ö) (34)
15cm S.FH 409(b) (34)
15,2cm K483(r) (65)
15,2cm S.FH 443(r) (381)
15,2cm S.FH 445(r) (921)
15,2cm S.FH 446(r) (14)
15,2cm S.FH 415(f) [108]
20,3cm Haub.503(f) [38]
20,3cm Mrs 523(a) (19)
22cm K532(f) (3)
27,4cm K W(E)93/96(f) (4)
28cm Mrs 602(f) (23)
30,5cm Mrs 639(j) (2)
32cm K(E) 652(f) (4)
34cm K(E) (f) (2)
37cm K(E) 714(f) (4)

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Post by Erik E » 12 Jul 2003 16:10

German artillery 1.9.1939
Numbers in (_)
(E) 0 Eisenbahn (Railway art.)

2cm Kwk30.... (1586)
2cm Flak30 .... (897)
3,7cm Kwk .... (380)
7,5cm Kwk .... (182)
3,7cm Flak .... (83)
3,7cm Pak .... (10411)
7,5cm Flak14 .... (24)
7,5cm Le.iG 18 .... (2768]
7,5cm Geb.G 18 .... (115)
7,5cm Geb.K14+15 ....(254)
7,5cm FK16 n/a ....(298]
7,5cm Geb.G 36 .... (213)
7,5cm Le.FK 18 .... (20)
8,8cm Flak18 ....(100)
10cm K17 .... (66)
10cm K18 .... (402)
10,5cm K16 .... (28]
10,5cm I.FH16+18 ....(4862)
15cm S.IG 33 .... (382)
15cm S.FH18+13 .... (2408]
15cm K18 .... (25)
15cm K(E) .... (8]
17cm K(E) .... (24)
21cm Mrs .... (33)
24cm K3 .... (4)
28cm K5(E) .... (1)
21cm K12(E) .... (1)
21cm Mrs ....(28]
24cm SK L/50 .... (2)
24cm Theodor K(E) .... (3)
24cm Th.Br.K(E) ....(6)
28cm Kz.Br.K(E) ....(8]
28cm Ig.Br.K(E) ....(3)
28cm S.Br.K(E) .... (2)
30,6cm SK L/50 .... (2)

Total: .... (25629)

Captured artillery 1.9.1939
Numbers in (_)

3,7cm Pak M37(t) .... (883)
3,7cm Kwk M34(t) .... (230)
3,7cm Kwk M38(t) .... (160)
4,7cm Pak(t) .... (76)
8cm FK 30(t) .... (184)
8,35cm Flak 22(t) .... (115)
10cm I.FH 14/19(t) .... (382)
10cm I.FH 30(t) .... (127)
10,5cm K35(t) .... (59)
14,9cm S.FH15(t) .... (42)
15cm S.FH25(t) .... (219)
15cm S.FH37(t) .... (118]
15cm K15/16(t) .... (10)
21cm Mrs(t) .... (18]
24cm K(t) .... (6)
24cm H-39(t) .... (1)
30,5cm Mrs(t) .... (17)

Total: ....(2647)

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Post by Redbaron1908 » 12 Jul 2003 17:45

This is indeed very intresting. With a huge number of captured guns how did the germans manage to make ammunition for all of them?

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Erik E wrote:German artillery 1.9.1939
Numbers in (_)
(E) 0 Eisenbahn (Railway art.)

2cm Kwk30.... (1586)
2cm Flak30 .... (897)
3,7cm Kwk .... (380)
7,5cm Kwk .... (182)
3,7cm Flak .... (83)
3,7cm Pak .... (10411)
7,5cm Flak14 .... (24)
7,5cm Le.iG 18 .... (2768]
7,5cm Geb.G 18 .... (115)
7,5cm Geb.K14+15 ....(254)
7,5cm FK16 n/a ....(298]
7,5cm Geb.G 36 .... (213)
7,5cm Le.FK 18 .... (20)
8,8cm Flak18 ....(100)
10cm K17 .... (66)
10cm K18 .... (402)
10,5cm K16 .... (28]
10,5cm I.FH16+18 ....(4862)
15cm S.IG 33 .... (382)
15cm S.FH18+13 .... (2408]
15cm K18 .... (25)
15cm K(E) .... (8]
17cm K(E) .... (24)
21cm Mrs .... (33)
24cm K3 .... (4)
28cm K5(E) .... (1)
21cm K12(E) .... (1)
21cm Mrs ....(28]
24cm SK L/50 .... (2)
24cm Theodor K(E) .... (3)
24cm Th.Br.K(E) ....(6)
28cm Kz.Br.K(E) ....(8]
28cm Ig.Br.K(E) ....(3)
28cm S.Br.K(E) .... (2)
30,6cm SK L/50 .... (2)
Greetings Erik,

what are your sources for your list of artillery on 01.09.1939?
I found some differing numbers in Fritz Hahn's "Waffen und Geheimwaffen" and will post them here.
Differences are often very small. It could be the numbers that were delivered by industry in August 1939 but yet registered with the Heer.
Also, do you have detailled monthly deliveries of all weapons throughout the war as well as the number of captured guns in use an some point in 1941, 1942 and 1943?


German artillery 1.9.1939
Erik E's Numbers in (_), Fritz Hahn's "Waffen und Geheimwaffen" numbers in [_]
(E) 0 Eisenbahn (Railway art.)

2cm Kwk30.... (1586)
2cm Flak30 .... (897)
3,7cm Kwk .... (380)
7,5cm Kwk .... (182)
3,7cm Flak .... (83)
3,7cm Pak .... (10411) [11200]
7,5cm Flak14 .... (24)
7,5cm Le.iG 18 .... (2768) [2933, likely includes numbers for 7,5cm Geb.G 18]
7,5cm Geb.G 18 .... (115)
7,5cm Geb.K14+15 ....(254)
7,5cm FK16 n/a ....(298)
7,5cm Geb.G 36 .... (213)
7,5cm Le.FK 18 .... (20)
8,8cm Flak18 ....(100)
10cm K17 .... (66)
10cm K18 .... (402) [702]
10,5cm K16 .... (28]
10,5cm I.FH16+18 ....(4862) [4845] Do you have a breakdown between leFH 16's and leFH 18's?
15cm S.IG 33 .... (382) [410]
15cm S.FH18+13 .... (2408) [696 s.FH 13 & 1353 s.FH 18] Could the delta be s.FH 36's?
15cm K16 .... (?) [28]
15cm K18 .... (25)
15cm K(E) .... (8)
17cm K(E) .... (24)
21cm Mrs .... (33)
24cm K3 .... (4)
28cm K5(E) .... (1)
21cm K12(E) .... (1)
21cm Mrs ....(28)
24cm SK L/50 .... (2)
24cm Theodor K(E) .... (3)
24cm Th.Br.K(E) ....(6)
28cm Kz.Br.K(E) ....(8)
28cm Ig.Br.K(E) ....(3)
28cm S.Br.K(E) .... (2)
30,6cm SK L/50 .... (2)

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Re: INFO: Captured artillery in use 1.3-1944

Post by nuyt » 15 Dec 2010 20:27

I wonder if these data from 1939 are correct. The numbers of the lFH18 and sFH18 could be way to high.
See also:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/330333/t ... ry+weapons

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