9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by nuyt » 18 Jun 2011, 15:31

Jos, your blurry pic might just be showing a recently captured gun at Dunkirk? Check out the wrecks and mess on da beach....

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Post by jopaerya » 18 Jun 2011, 20:45

Offcource that is possible , I never heard that this gun was used
in the German army ( only Kriegsmarine ) but you never know ??

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by Sturm78 » 07 Jul 2011, 17:44

Hi all,

An image from Ebay.
According to photocaption the image was taken in Italy. Used the germans these guns in Italy? :?

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by AVV » 07 Jul 2011, 18:55

Hello!
Sturm78 wrote: Used the germans these guns in Italy?
Frankly to say, I don't know, but the uniform of the soldier in the foreground points to warm region, so it quite well may be Italy.

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 07 Jul 2011, 22:46

It looks like a MkI mobile mounting, the follow the pointer sight is just in front of the traverse (or elevation) handle, which indicates the layers sat facing the front. The chap in the forground is possibly hiding the gun layer's seat. The MkIII mobile the layers faced to the rear. Mk I mobiles would have been the type of gun taken over to Greece in 1941, so could be either captured by the Italians or a Germans, but after 1943 would have been used by the Germans.

I have a feeling that I have read somewhere the British sent the Greeks some 3.7 inch guns but I am not 100% sure of my memory :?

Another idea is that the photo was taken in Greece. The gun is either in British green or German grey by its dark shade in the photo. Not the later sand colour used by the Germans so does tend to indicate it could be taken earlier than 1943. I think the photo is pre the Itailan surrender form the uniform being worn. The field cap being worn by both of the gunners is the early war version (I know many were still on the heads of those who surrendered in 1945). The field cap and the dark colour of the gun together do not suggest late war.
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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by Sturm78 » 09 Jul 2011, 13:08

Thank you for your replies, Aleks and Clive.

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by jopaerya » 27 Sep 2011, 20:03

Hello

Who recognised the watertower in the back of the Ebay picture ?

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by Sturm78 » 13 Nov 2011, 18:58

Hi all,

Another image from Ebay:

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by Manuferey » 13 Nov 2011, 22:22

The back of the picture has the following note: "engl. schwere flak bei Wimereux". Therefore, it would a gun of the abandoned British AA battery north of Boulogne, right?

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by Sturm78 » 18 Nov 2011, 15:53

Hi all,

Another small image from Ebay:

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by jopaerya » 11 Jan 2012, 19:31

Here some Ebay picture's of the M.K.B. Flugplatz ( Boulogne ) in the early days of the war.

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 12 Jan 2012, 01:01

Hi Jos

The director and height finder in the last photo do not appear to be the ones that the guns would have had when new. :? They just do not look like British ones, A.A.No 1 (Vickers) Predictor and Barr & Stroud 9-foot A.A. height finder. Could they be Belgian design and the guns ex Belgian not British?

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Source, AA Command, Britian's anti aircraft defences of the Second World War
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Source, from my hard drive , cannot remember source but same image is on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AA-Pr ... II-001.jpg
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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by jopaerya » 12 Jan 2012, 10:08

Hello Clive

Please read the post from David Lehmann on page one , these 9.4 cm were French
they were exchanged for 2.5 cm French pak. I have seen several picture's with B.E.F.
troops with the French 2.5 cm gun .

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by Clive Mortimore » 12 Jan 2012, 10:49

Hi Jos

I know that France had the 3.7 inch but the height finder and predictor do not look like French equipment. Not having seen a battery of French 3.7 inch guns I could not say what ranging equipment they had but the ones fro their own guns were a combined height finder and predictor.
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Source, my hard drive

Belguim also had 3.7 inch guns http://niehorster.orbat.com/021_belgium ... e_gta.html that is why I asked was the the ranging equipment of Belgian design.

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Re: 9.4 cm Flak M 39 (e) in Holland

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Post by jopaerya » 14 Jan 2012, 13:18

Hello Clive

I could not find any information on the rangefinder ( Belgian or French )
this is a Ebay photo of the same M.K.B. but I think of a later date , as
you see a other model rangefinder .

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