Unit emblems identification help

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by reinaart » 25 Feb 2012, 12:12

In the meantime I "ve found the answer, the sign is of Sturmgeschütz Brigade 276:
http://www.hl-barbara.de/51-Verbaende_Stg_Brig_276.htm

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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by punkyto » 25 Feb 2012, 16:51

Thanks Arjan

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Post by InfanterieRgt48 » 04 Apr 2012, 23:45

This is supposedly from a Stug III belonging to GR.914 captured in Normandy (I think it resides, or formally resided, in the Patton museum) but no one really seems to know, anyone here ever seen this insignia anywhere? I didn't notice it on Christoph's site, and I'm a little skeptical of the one shown everywhere for the 352 Infanterie Division and GR.916.

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 05 Apr 2012, 19:09

I don't know why they would have marked a StuG III as belonging to a Grenadier Regiment which would never have had any such vehicles.
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Post by InfanterieRgt48 » 06 Apr 2012, 02:19

Sorry Alan, I worded that wrong. Far as I know 352.Infanterie Division's Panzerjager Abteilung had 10 StuG III's along with 14 Marder's. But I can't find any sort of insignia for them. Nor can I find anything for the Infanterie Regimenter that made up the Division (other than that jumping Pegasus, which I'm not ready to accept yet, just seems too different.) I'd like to see some documentation before I use it anyway.

Thanks Punkyto, I guess I had assumed that one on Christoph's site was something different and not a variant.

Being a Normandy Division and one chased until Falaise I figure something must be out there for the regiments. Intel reports, soldiers sketches, anything!

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 06 Apr 2012, 11:10

Don't feel too bad about not finding it on Christoph's site , it doesn't look much like what is on the Sturmartillerie site's Wappen section either, I for one didn't think they were the same sign and I looked before my original post.

http://www.die-sturmartillerie.com/wappen.htm
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Post by punkyto » 06 Apr 2012, 17:09

Hola!
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Post by InfanterieRgt48 » 07 Apr 2012, 14:23

Thanks guys!

The main problem I have with the GR.916's jumping pegasus that you see everywhere is that (I've always heard) it stems from a large picture on the door of a truck, not where I would expect to find an actual tactical symbol. The more basic pegasus bridge and shield (pictured, by Xtragicfever on deviant art, best representation I could find) seems to be more typical but I still have never seen it in any sort of report or picture. Finding something for GR.914, my real interest in this, seems near impossible.

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 07 Apr 2012, 21:33

Part of your problem is that it is NOT a tactical symbol but a unit sign. A tactical symbol was based upon the map marking system used by the Germans and was used to indicate the type of unit, for example Infantry/Artillery. A unit sign was used to indicate the actual unit identification, usually at divisional level. A regiemntal sign might well be painted upon a vehicle door since it was not the normal practice for the Germans to have a sign for a regiment within a division.
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Post by InfanterieRgt48 » 08 Apr 2012, 02:46

Ah, if it's not the norm for specific regiments to have their own insignia, I must be getting mixed up by seeing the 916.GR singled out with that one pegasus and bridge encompassed by the red shield; leading me to believe that the rest of the regiments had their own as well. I did notice on a few of the pictures of trucks there was the divisional insignia below a tactical marker (and vice-versa.)

Is there anywhere (picture or intel sketch) the above design (or any!) is shown on a vehicle of the 352nd?

Though going into Christoph's site and counting them out (bored) and, only getting through the Buchstaben, found that 57 out of 362 (divisions and regiments) were regiments, but more than half of the 57 were some form of artillery or flak.

Thanks for all the help, though I keep screwing the terminology.

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Post by Alanmccoubrey » 08 Apr 2012, 16:20

Looking quickly at Christoph's site I see only three Regimental Signs for units which belonged to Divisions, I'm sure there are more but I wanted to give you a quick answer. Gren Regt 916 which seems to be a variant of the Divisional sign for 352; Schtz regt 104 which has a completely different sign from its parent Division, 15 PD and Grenadier regt (mot) 15 which has a variant of its parent Division, 29 Infanterie Division (mot). All of the other none Divison sized units listed with signs seem to be independent such as Flak/Heavy Artillery/Tiger Tank or StuG units.
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Post by Marcus » 15 Apr 2012, 12:39

Any ideas on this Bundesarchiv photo?

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Post by panzerman1984 » 16 Apr 2012, 16:19

never seen that one before Marcus.

Any idea on this one? (on the door). Looks like man holding a flag?
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Re: Unit emblems identification help

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Post by gruppe.drei » 18 Jun 2012, 11:56

panzerman1984 wrote:...man holding a flag?
It seems to be a halberd not flag.

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