Are you having trouble replying again?gary-1944 wrote: This is the third time I have tried to post this.
I don't believe anyone is disputing that?(snip) The Rangers were being fired at by the guns as they approached. So there is no question that the guns were still there.
That was established long ago from the German records. 10./Art.Regt. 1716. was NE of Bayeaux near Sommervieu.The main reason for this post is however to help with the other main issue… where was battery 10 of the 1716th Artillery on D-day.
The identity of the battery may have been previously unknown, but it's location was not "unknown" at the time or that such a battery was there. It was identified as "16A" by the Allies after 10 April 1944 when Annex 12 of the First Army OPLAN NEPTUNE was amended. The evidence you have dug up would tend to confirm what you were told long ago, which is that the battery at 16A was one of the batteries of IV./Art.Regt. 352. and not 10./1716. That would also correspond with the 352. Inf.-Div. moving up to take over the coastal positions after 15 March; it is likely the new battery position was established after that and not identified by PR until after the 10 April "cut off".A battery… previously unknown was at position 16A - of that there is no doubt. The following account is self evident and I have other evidence - which includes the wheels dug up from the position etc. This is an extract from my book which highlights the fate of those guns on the 7th of June.
This is part of what is so frustrating in conversing with you...the 1st Infantry Division had no role in the reduction of the Grandcamp-Maisy-Château de Géfosse position on 9 June. At that time, the 1st Infantry Division zone was east of the north-south line running from just west of Mosles to just west of Balleroy. The action at Grandcamp-Maisy was in the zone of the 29th Infantry Division.But the most compelling piece of evidence has just surfaced from the archives of the 1st Infantry Division S-2 Intelligence After Action Reports.
What is that other unit information?I have other unit information stating that the Artillery men of the 1716th Artillery were "fighting at infantry" at Maisy during the battle.
But they were not involved in that attack so it is actually a considerable stretch to say that.As the 1st Infantry Division were the ones involved in that attack… its not a stretch to say that this confirms where the 10th Battery of the 1716th were and when.
Such evidence has presented to you - such as the German battery "station lists" - numerous times and yet you keep returning to this.Here is the evidence. Unless anyone can produce firm - period evidence -
What debate? What is there to be debated? We know there were three battery positions in the area:But as ever, these forums are a great source of info. So if anyone can expand on this it would help the debate.
III./Art.-Regt. 1716 (- 10. Bttr.) had its Gefechtsstand at Le Cambe and 8. Bttr. at Maisy La Martiniere (AKA Wn 84, "Brasilia", Maisy II, Target 16, vT528916, Lat 49.37422 Long -1.0681) with four 10cm le.F.H. 14/19 (t)) and 9. Bttr. at Maisy Les Perruques (AKA Wn 83, "Maisy", Maisy I, Target 5, vT533918, Lat 49.37611 Long -1.06134) with four 15cm s.F.H. 414 (f)).
IV./Art.-Regt. 352 had one of its three batteries at Maisy Ferme Foucher (AKA Maisy III, Target 16A, vT531914, Lat 49.37255 Long -1.06385) with four 15cm s.F.H.
Note that another of the batteries of IV./Art.-Regt. 356 was at Longueville, while the third batteries location remains unknown (given the layout of the other two I suspect it was somewhere between Formigny and Etreham).
[edited to correct "356" to 352...du-uh]