Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by askropp » 04 Aug 2015 16:48

War ein Generalarzt des Bundesheeres einem Generalmajor gleichgestellt (wie in der Wehrmacht) oder nur einem Oberst (wie in der Reichswehr)? Ich frage deshalb, weil der Bundesheer-Generalstabsarzt Otto Bundsmann in der Wehrmacht nur Generalarzt z.V. war.
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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Frech » 04 Aug 2015 17:40

Dienstklasse II.: Generalstabsarzt (Beamter d. Heeresverwaltung) = Generalarzt (ab 01.10.1936 Offizier!) = Generalmajor

Dienstklasse III.: Oberstabsarzt 1. Kl. (Beamter der Heeresverwaltung) = Oberstarzt (ab 01.01.1936 Offizier!) = Oberst

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by askropp » 04 Aug 2015 20:54

Danke!
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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by askropp » 05 Aug 2015 15:42

From the "Dienstaltersliste der Generalstabs- und Truppenoffiziere des ehemaligen österreichischen Bundesheeres, Stand 1.8.38":
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All generals listed there are Generalstabsoffiziere. Also listed on other pages:

Generalmajor Moyses 1.8.36 (2b)
Generalarzt Dr. Zamponi 1.1.38 (2)
Generalarzt Dr. Zimmer 1.8.38 (3)
Oberstveterinär Dr. Pindur 1.5.35

A few remarks and questions:
1.) The "ernannt" dates are obviously the dates of the ÖBH promotions, so it looks as if Nagy became an Austrian GM in January 1934 (not December) and Moro in June 1937 (not January).
2.) GM Pohl apparently was an active GM (without RDA), not or only later GM z.V.
3.) Does anybody have more info on GM Ernst Walter (especially DoB / DoD)?
4.) Does anybody have more info on GA Dr. Zamponi (First Name, life dates)?
5.) GA (later GSA) Dr. Zimmer is said to have committed suicide in 1945. Does anybody know when and where?
6.) Dr. Pindur late became GVet z.V. Does anybody have more info on him (First Name, life dates)?

The following later RDA as GM are known to me:
Hammer 01.10.1938 (11)
Hubicki 01.10.1938 (12)
Nagy 01.02.1939 (?)
Feurstein 01.04.1939 (13)
Glasner 01.06.1939 (12)
Basler 01.08.1941 (12)

Haselmayr, Moro, Pohl, Schmidt, Wessely and Wittas apparently retired (or died) without German RDA.
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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Dieter Zinke » 05 Aug 2015 16:34

Dr. med. vet. Josef Pindur

00.03.1938 Oberstveterinär
00.00.1939 Oberstveterinär z.V.
01.09.1941 Generalveterinär z.V.

00.00.1928 Promotion zum Dr. med. vet. an der Tierärztlichen Hochschule Wien mit der Dissertation “Beitrag zur Feststellung der Eianzahl der Hündin bei Erkrankungen des Uterus oder Eierstockes“

00.03.1938 in der Zentralstelle des OKH im ehemaligen österreichischen Bundesministerium für Landesverteidigung
10.11.1938 zur Verfügung des Heeresgruppen-Veterinärs 5, Standort Wien
00.00.1939 Abschied
00.00.1939 z.V. OKH
26.08.1939 Korps-Veterinär beim stellvertretenden Generalkommando XVII. Armee-Korps, Wien, zugleich Wehrkreis-Veterinär XVII
01.11.1940 Korps-Veterinär beim stellvertretenden Generalkommando XVIII. Armee-Korps, Salzburg, zugleich Wehrkreis-Veterinär XVIII

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Dr. med. Raimond Zamponi,
* 17.10.1881,

Generalarzt 01.01.1938 [Hubert Fischer: Der deutsche Sanitätsdienst 1921 - 1945]


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Nagy Emerich

Post by Frech » 05 Aug 2015 19:19

Here the VBl. for Nagy.

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by askropp » 05 Aug 2015 20:14

@Dieter
Danke! Pindur died in 1956. There is a Nachruf in the "Wiener Tierärztliche Monatsschrift", Band 43, S. 584, but Google Books gives only snippets, so I can't see the date. And I found some traces of a Dr. Raimund Zamponi, so maybe this was his correct spelling.

@Christian
Strange! Did the ÖBH issue backdated or "upgraded" ranks like the Wehrmacht did? I can't see why the rank should have been altered in 1938. A mistake maybe (in der Zeile verrutscht)? I have 26 January 1934 also for Stümpfl, is this correct?
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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Frech » 05 Aug 2015 20:17

@Dieter + askropp: it´s very sophisticated. I can´t discuss that in english. Maybe in german? If our mod would allow...

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Stümpfl

Post by Frech » 05 Aug 2015 20:23

here for Stümpfl:

25.02.1938 Versetzung in den Ruhestand mit Wirkung vom 31.03.1938
21.03.1938 Versetzung in den Ruhestand aufgehoben

maybe his "short retirement" changed his RDA?

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Zamponi

Post by Frech » 05 Aug 2015 20:27

not very much but:

Zamponi Raimund Dr.med.
ÖBH1:
31.01.1927 Oberstabsarzt 1. Kl. d. IV. DKl. (=Titel) (BrigSanAnst. 5) [VBl. 2/1927]
28.02.1929 Oberstabsarzt 1. Kl. d. III. DKl. (= full rank) [VBl. 4/1929]
01.09.1932 best. zum Sanitätschef der 5. Brig. [VBl. 8/1932]
01.08.1933 verliehen ein Dienstposten DKl. III/VwGrp 4 [VBl. 16/1933]
01.01.1936 Oberstarzt (aufgrund des Offizierskorpsgesetzes [VBl. 20/1935])
01.04.1937 best. zum Kommandanten d. Heeresspitals [PVBl. 5/1937]
01.01.1938 Generalarzt [PVBl. 15/1937]

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Pindur

Post by Frech » 05 Aug 2015 20:32

what I have:

Pindur Josef Dr.vet. (*25.01.1886)
ÖBH1:
01.05.1924 Oberstabsveterinär 2. Kl.
24.06.1929 Oberstabstierarzt 1. Kl. (3. Brig.Kdo) [VBl. 8/1929]
01.08.1933 verliehen ein Dienstposten DKl. III/VwGrp 4 [VBl. 16/1933]
01.02.1935 vers. zur Abt. 2/R/BMfLV [VBl. 2/1935]
26.03.1935 Ritterkreuz 1. Kl. des österr. Verdienstordens [VBl. 4/1935]
01.01.1936 Obersttierarzt (1938: BMfLV)
DWM:
Oberstveterinär (z.V. HGr.Kdo 5)

RK 1. Kl. ÖVO, FJO-R.KD (n.), BMVM.X, GVK.+K.X, ÖKM.X, EK1912-13

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GenMaj WALTER Ernst

Post by Frech » 05 Aug 2015 20:35

Walter Ernst Ing. (26.06.1885 – 1945)
KuK:
01.11.1914 Hauptmann im Artilleriestab
ÖBH1:
08.07.1921 Oberstleutnant (Titel) [VBL. 34/1921]
01.04.1927 Leiter d. Schießversuchskommission [VBl. 4/1927]
25.03.1928 Oberst dhmD (SchießVersKom)
01.05.1933 vers. zur Abt. 5/BMfHW [VBl. 5/1933]
22.11.1933 Generalmajor [VBl. 30/1933]
08.10.1934 Militärdienstzeichen für Offiziere 2. Klasse [VBl. 24/1934]
26.03.1935 Offizierskreuz des österr. Verdienstordens [VBl. 4/1935]
01.10.1937 best. zum Chef des kriegstechn. Amtes/BMfLV [PVBl. 12/1937]
DWM:
01.07.1943 Generalmajor (z.V. OBdH) - prüfen

OffzK ÖVO, GE, EKO.3.X, MVK.3.X (2x), SMVM.X, BMVM.X, KTK, OD2, ÖKM.X, JK1908, preuß. EK2, KmtK ung. VO

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by askropp » 05 Aug 2015 21:14

@Jake
I just mentioned that volume above. :wink: Trouble is you never have such a scientific magazine at hand if you need it ... Universities with a veterinary branch could have it in their library.

@ Christian
Nochmals vielen Dank! What does the VBl. say for Moro? Was his Austrian date of rank also altered in the 1938 list?
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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by JakeV » 05 Aug 2015 21:19

@ Askropp: I deleted my post apparenlty moments before you replied. It's probably because of the heat down here :P. I hoped I could pull some strings, since I have an acquaintance who is studying Veterinary Medicine, but it looks like the journal's older volumes aren't accessible online. Oh well...

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Edit: A bit out of the topic of the present discussion, I remembered a post by GL Josef von Wächter's grandson (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... c#p1470750), in which it is stated that Wächter was born in 1863, not 1866 as it is widely reported.

After he had finished the Oberrealschule in Prag, Wächter entered army service as Einjährig-Freiwilliger in the Feldjägerbataillon 2 on 29.01.1883. Had he been born in 1866, that would make him 16 years and 1 month old, which I believe is quite peculiar. The 1863 year, on the other hand, would make him 19 years and 1 month old, which I believe is more consistent.

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Re: Österreichs Generale im Deutschen Heer 1938-1945

Post by Dieter Zinke » 05 Aug 2015 22:01

Frech wrote:@Dieter + askropp: it´s very sophisticated. I can´t discuss that in english. Maybe in german? If our mod would allow...

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