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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by peeved » 05 Jan 2017 21:27

I'm starting to think that Kerry's original Horch idea was correct. IMO the car wing lines are much closer to this Horch 830 BL Image than either 3,2 or 3,4 litre stock Mercedes 320. And Horch was also a big fan of those front wing lights that Kerry's Kübel sports.

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Post by SIS 5 » 05 Jan 2017 23:07

Hi Markus,

You could be right. The different wing lines are very important for an ID of this car. Interesting, that Befehl 227 posted a pic of a Horch type 830 BL Kübelwagen 3rd September 2009. It is a pity, that we cannot see the wing lines of this car.

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Post by Bill Murray » 05 Jan 2017 23:18

Sigh.......................

Sometimes these mysteries seem to take a lifetime to unravel and even then we are not always sure.

Based on Kerry's, Uncles and finally Markus' observations, I just spent 3 hours researching Horch kübels.

Part of that time was spent in looking through my book collection, which gathers a lot of dust these years.
Once I found a possible answer, the rest of the time was spent trying to get my copy machine to function in "scan" mode, something
it has not done much these last years.

In any case, I present below a photo from the book "Kraftfahrzeuge und Panzer der Reichswehr, Wehrmacht und Bundedswehr" by Werner Oswald.

It shows a Horch 830 BL which appears to be based very closely on the civilian version of the 830 than a more "militarized" version.

From front to back, it has a civilian type front bumper, not found on the strictly military versions. It has the headlamps mentioned by Markus, definitely civilian type. The wings/mudguards, both front and rear appear to be used directly from the civilian chassis, exactly as Kerry's example.
As well, the radiator emblem seems to remain, not seen on military versions of either Horch or MB.

Finally, the tyres seem to be of a civilian type, not military on my example and Kerry's.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 05 Jan 2017 23:35

Brilliant work, Bill! No doubt about it.
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Post by kerryboo » 05 Jan 2017 23:40

Partly in jest I mentioned Horch, but now it does seem to be going that way. I am guessing that not many of the Horch 830 BL kubels were made? The wheels rims and hub-caps do look more of the Horch style, plus the button-down hood and rear deck cover also matches the Werner Oswald scan.
Thanks to you all for the on-going research, another example of why this forum works so wonderfully.
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Kerry.

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Post by Bill Murray » 05 Jan 2017 23:42

Thanks Max & Kerry:

Total production of my variant..... 50.

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Post by SIS 5 » 06 Jan 2017 12:01

Hi Bill,

yes, an excellent work. In any way better than me. I was near to find this pic, too. My fault was, that I was looking in an older edition of the book "Kraftfahrzeuge und Panzer der Reichswehr, Wehrmacht und Bundeswehr" by Werner Oswald (I have three of them), where I scanned the pic of the Mercedes-Benz type 340 because of the better quality of the pics.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by uncle » 07 Jan 2017 19:52

Hi Friends!
maybe Mercedes model ???
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Post by peeved » 07 Jan 2017 20:32

I somehow get a Komnicky feeling; The suspension etc. forward equipage seem to have a family resemblance with this 2 T: Image

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by uncle » 07 Jan 2017 20:53

unexpected answer!
Komnick I had not considered.
Тhank you Markus!

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ilfil » 09 Jan 2017 09:49

Hi all,
WW1 isn't my theme definitely so call it plain curiosity. What this dinosaur captured at Dunkirk could be? Apparently French, but what? I'm not much into the picture with the wheeled boilers of that era.

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Post by dirk Peeters » 09 Jan 2017 09:55

it looks like a Dion Bouton to me
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Post by uncle » 09 Jan 2017 18:21

Hi Friends!
your opinion?
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ilfil » 09 Jan 2017 20:16

Captured Jaguar of 11. PzDiv.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 09 Jan 2017 21:29

Markus wrote
Polish modified Vickers E with 47 mm main armament.
Markus wrote
I'd say 1937-39 German Ford V8-51 with 1937 US V8 grille.
Thank you for your answers, Markus...and sorry for delay...

Regards Sturm78

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