Help with tactical insignia
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Re: Help with tactical insignia
Post by Ivan Ž. » Mon 07.03.16 – 20:53
The small circle indictes a unit of the motor transport arm.
The two diagonal lines indicate a trains (Tross) unit of a company.
The "8" indicates the superior company's number.
Normally, there is an abbreviation on the right of the symbol, indicating which trains are meant:
Gef. — Gefechtstross = Combat trains
Gep. — Gepäcktross = Baggage trains
Verpfl. — Verpflegungstross = Ration trains.
etc.
Post by Ivan Ž. » Wed 15.11.17 – 16:53
The bit on the top is a small flag indicating a unit of the cavalry arm.
The diagonal in the rectangle indicates a non-horsed cavalry unit. (A horsed unit would have the lower right corner filled in).
The small "A" indicates reconnaissance (Aufklärung).
The circles (wheels) underneath indicate motorized.
The "2" indicates the second company.
The small circle indictes a unit of the motor transport arm.
The two diagonal lines indicate a trains (Tross) unit of a company.
The "8" indicates the superior company's number.
Normally, there is an abbreviation on the right of the symbol, indicating which trains are meant:
Gef. — Gefechtstross = Combat trains
Gep. — Gepäcktross = Baggage trains
Verpfl. — Verpflegungstross = Ration trains.
etc.
Post by Ivan Ž. » Wed 15.11.17 – 16:53
The bit on the top is a small flag indicating a unit of the cavalry arm.
The diagonal in the rectangle indicates a non-horsed cavalry unit. (A horsed unit would have the lower right corner filled in).
The small "A" indicates reconnaissance (Aufklärung).
The circles (wheels) underneath indicate motorized.
The "2" indicates the second company.
Re: Help with tactical insignia
Thank you very much for the detailed reply, Leo!
One question:
Cheers,
Ivan
One question:
Is it a company or a platoon? I've noticed that when a rectangle symbol marks a company, its left border is thicker than the others (and that when all lines are identical, then it marks a platoon).Leo Niehorster wrote:The "2" indicates the second company.
Cheers,
Ivan
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Re: Help with tactical insignia
Hi Ivan,
It is a company. Platoons were normally identified by Roman numerals. A second platoon would have "II".
The tactical symbols as used on vehicles could be slightly different (simplified in form) from the organizational ones. Confusing, I know.
The ones painted on vehicles seldom used the thickened line to indicate a company-sized unit, but sometimes they did. I have found no reason for one or the other. Possibly the vehicles seen in the early years used a more detailed system, whereas the later ones used a more basic system, if at all.
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Leo
It is a company. Platoons were normally identified by Roman numerals. A second platoon would have "II".
The tactical symbols as used on vehicles could be slightly different (simplified in form) from the organizational ones. Confusing, I know.
The ones painted on vehicles seldom used the thickened line to indicate a company-sized unit, but sometimes they did. I have found no reason for one or the other. Possibly the vehicles seen in the early years used a more detailed system, whereas the later ones used a more basic system, if at all.
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Leo
Re: Help with tactical insignia
Again, thank you very much, Leo, you've been most helpful!
A big cheers,
Ivan
A big cheers,
Ivan
Re: Help with tactical insignia
Two more please, just to make sure:
Are these the 7th and the 15th companies (infantry) - and also: what could the small "thingy" above the first rectangle be? Pioniere?
(note: the first photo was taken in 1943 and the other in 1941; Gren.-Regt. 92 and SS-Regt. "D")
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Are these the 7th and the 15th companies (infantry) - and also: what could the small "thingy" above the first rectangle be? Pioniere?
(note: the first photo was taken in 1943 and the other in 1941; Gren.-Regt. 92 and SS-Regt. "D")
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Re: Help with tactical insignia
No the second company(motorised) of an Aufklärungs Abteilung, a motorcycle unit would have the circle with a cross inside it. Without the divisional sign you can't say it is from a Panzer Division.Ivan Ž. wrote:Another one, please: a motorcycle unit of a panzer division, 1941 (2nd Platoon...?)
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Thanks in advance,
Ivan
Alan
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Re: Help with tactical insignia
Both show motorized infantry companies.
The "thingy" consists of a small circle at the top of the staff, with a waving pennant underneath, the addition indicating a Panzertruppen arm unit. The 15./Grenadier-Regiment 92 (mot) was organized under the Infantry arm, while the regiment was in its first incarnation as part of the 60. Infanterie-Division.
The 7./SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment Deutschland was organized under KStN of the Panzertruppen arm.
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The "thingy" consists of a small circle at the top of the staff, with a waving pennant underneath, the addition indicating a Panzertruppen arm unit. The 15./Grenadier-Regiment 92 (mot) was organized under the Infantry arm, while the regiment was in its first incarnation as part of the 60. Infanterie-Division.
The 7./SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment Deutschland was organized under KStN of the Panzertruppen arm.
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Leo
Re: Help with tactical insignia
Hello, Alan, and thanks for the reply. There was also the insignia of (the 14th) Panzer Division next to it in the orig. photo. The photos from the series show the entry of the unit in a city (and it's logical that a reconnaissance unit would enter first).Alanmccoubrey wrote:Without the divisional sign you can't say it is from a Panzer Division.
Hello, Leo, and thank you again. I've studied the German military symbols, but I've missed the staff-circle-pennant detail, thank you very much for pointing this out. But you missunderstood, it's the 7th Company of the Grenadier Regiment 92 (former Sonderverband 287), and the 15th of the SS Regiment "Deutschland".Leo Niehorster wrote:The "thingy" consists of a small circle at the top of the staff, with a waving pennant underneath, the addition indicating a Panzertruppen arm unit.
The 15./Grenadier-Regiment 92 (mot) was organized under the Infantry arm, while the regiment was in its first incarnation as part of the 60. Infanterie-Division.
The 7./SS-Panzer-Grenadier-Regiment Deutschland was organized under KStN of the Panzertruppen arm.
Cheers,
Ivan