Uniform ID question
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From the colour quality, particularly the reds, the possibly plastic jam pot and the quantity of jam these two men have in it, I rather think that this is a recent reenactment.
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It's no re-enactment; it's a period photograph by the renowned Reichsbahn photographer Walter Hollnagel.
More of his photographs can be found here...:
https://eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergale ... br=&page=1
...incidentally, including this one. I should have checked that site first: It's dated August 1944. Either the date is erroneous, or the man on the right wasn't up to date with his insignia. (Most likely the latter. Many period photographs of railway personnel show that this was not uncommon.)
More of his photographs can be found here...:
https://eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergale ... br=&page=1
...incidentally, including this one. I should have checked that site first: It's dated August 1944. Either the date is erroneous, or the man on the right wasn't up to date with his insignia. (Most likely the latter. Many period photographs of railway personnel show that this was not uncommon.)
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Greetings,
I am seeking information on this Hollywood tunic, which I am guessing is supposed to be an Austrian-Hungarian Officer, but the stitching on the bat wing flaps appears to not be right. Hollywood often got things wrong, plus pieces were altered for later productions - sometimes in fictional ways.
Does anyone know if this is an accurate uniform for any country or army?
Thanks.
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I am seeking information on this Hollywood tunic, which I am guessing is supposed to be an Austrian-Hungarian Officer, but the stitching on the bat wing flaps appears to not be right. Hollywood often got things wrong, plus pieces were altered for later productions - sometimes in fictional ways.
Does anyone know if this is an accurate uniform for any country or army?
Thanks.
rick
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It try to be an Austrian M1916 tunic, or a Hungarian zubbony, maybe tailored for historical movies
This model was used by mountain troops, but officers tunics wore buttons in sight
As you say, Hollywood is not always accurate...
This model was used by mountain troops, but officers tunics wore buttons in sight
As you say, Hollywood is not always accurate...
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Thank you, for your response.
Do the colors of the collar denote anything?
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Do the colors of the collar denote anything?
rick
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All three are customs [Zoll] officials.
As for rank, the first man is a Hilfszollbetriebsassistent, the second one a Zollassistent and the third one a Zollsekretär.
These green-and-silver cap cords were worn by the ranks of Außerplanmäßiger Zollassistent, Zollassistent and Zollsekretär.
The second man wears an SS-Zivilabzeichen [SS civilian pin], as well as an NSDAP party pin and an SA-Wehrabzeichen. The last one is wearing a ribbon bar for the Sudetenland medal and the Zollgrenzschutz-Ehrenzeichen.
As for rank, the first man is a Hilfszollbetriebsassistent, the second one a Zollassistent and the third one a Zollsekretär.
These green-and-silver cap cords were worn by the ranks of Außerplanmäßiger Zollassistent, Zollassistent and Zollsekretär.
The second man wears an SS-Zivilabzeichen [SS civilian pin], as well as an NSDAP party pin and an SA-Wehrabzeichen. The last one is wearing a ribbon bar for the Sudetenland medal and the Zollgrenzschutz-Ehrenzeichen.
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The system of colors and colored badges ( Egalisierungsfarben ) was used to identify the individual regiments, and to differentiateDo the colors of the collar denote anything ?
between the arms of the Austro-Hungarian Army
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Thank you, again for this.
A GOOGLE search for Egalisierungsfarben revealed 11 different hues of red!
I was hoping the collar might have been a clue to it's film use, but alas...no.
The Western Costume Company label is a pre 1934, so we are looking at the films of von Stroheim, but the error in the flap stitching, led to thinking this was one of the costumes he rejected from WCC and insisted they obtain real ones from Austria, which they did along with weapons and carriages. Part of this effort is that Stroheim's shirt and jodhpurs, from THE WEDDING MARCH, were located in the late 1970s, at PARAMOUNT, by Debbie Reynolds, and sold to PLANET HOLLYWOOD in the 1990s. They resold them in 2002 at Sotheby's. No tunic has been found. These pieces each have the same style label with his name legible. [attachment=0]
Also, note von Stroheim's cuffs are flared and are buttoned. Is this based in reality?
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A GOOGLE search for Egalisierungsfarben revealed 11 different hues of red!
I was hoping the collar might have been a clue to it's film use, but alas...no.
The Western Costume Company label is a pre 1934, so we are looking at the films of von Stroheim, but the error in the flap stitching, led to thinking this was one of the costumes he rejected from WCC and insisted they obtain real ones from Austria, which they did along with weapons and carriages. Part of this effort is that Stroheim's shirt and jodhpurs, from THE WEDDING MARCH, were located in the late 1970s, at PARAMOUNT, by Debbie Reynolds, and sold to PLANET HOLLYWOOD in the 1990s. They resold them in 2002 at Sotheby's. No tunic has been found. These pieces each have the same style label with his name legible. [attachment=0]
Also, note von Stroheim's cuffs are flared and are buttoned. Is this based in reality?
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Many thanks for this prompt and very complete answer !!!HPL2008 wrote: ↑29 Dec 2018, 20:00All three are customs [Zoll] officials.
As for rank, the first man is a Hilfszollbetriebsassistent, the second one a Zollassistent and the third one a Zollsekretär.
These green-and-silver cap cords were worn by the ranks of Außerplanmäßiger Zollassistent, Zollassistent and Zollsekretär.
The second man wears an SS-Zivilabzeichen [SS civilian pin], as well as an NSDAP party pin and an SA-Wehrabzeichen. The last one is wearing a ribbon bar for the Sudetenland medal and the Zollgrenzschutz-Ehrenzeichen.
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Hello HPL,HPL2008 wrote: ↑06 Nov 2018, 21:56It's no re-enactment; it's a period photograph by the renowned Reichsbahn photographer Walter Hollnagel.
More of his photographs can be found here...:
https://eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergale ... br=&page=1
...incidentally, including this one. I should have checked that site first: It's dated August 1944. Either the date is erroneous, or the man on the right wasn't up to date with his insignia. (Most likely the latter. Many period photographs of railway personnel show that this was not uncommon.)
I was fooled too! The clarity and color are stunning for a photograph of that era. Thanks for posting the link, it is a remarkable website.
Cheers,
Max
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All kind of Erich von Stroheim's uniforms on his old movies ( german, austrian, russian ) never were acurate 100%Also, note von Stroheim's cuffs are flared and are buttoned. Is this based in reality?
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Is it possible to get some info about this luftwaffe uniform ?
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Is it possible to get some info about this luftwaffe uniform ?
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