Konteradmiral z.V. Walter Isendahl (1872-1945)

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Konteradmiral z.V. Walter Isendahl (1872-1945)

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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 18 Oct 2017, 22:48

Lots of Awards for this Konteradmiral:

- 1914 EK I
- 1914 EK II
- Kgl. Preuß. Kaiser Wilhelm-Erinnerungsmedaille 1797-1897 (“Centenarmedaille”)
- Russischer St. Annen-Orden III. Klasse
- Russischer St. Stanislaus-Orden II. Klasse
- Kgl. Preuß. Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse
- Kgl. Preuß. Kronen-Orden III. Klasse
- Kgl. Preuß. Kronen-Orden II. Klasse mit Schwertern
- RK II. Klasse des Kgl. Sächs. Albrechts-Ordens
- Offizierkreuz des Kgl. Sächs. Albrechts-Ordens
- Komtur I. Klasse des Kgl. Württembg. Friedrichs-Ordens mit Schwertern
- Braunschweigisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse
- Braunschweigisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz I. Klasse
- Türkischer Eiserner Halbmond
- Finn. Freiheitskreuz I. Klasse mit Schwertern
- Kgl. Preuß. Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer
- Hanseatenkreuz Hamburg

Any more Awards to add? I think he might had one more Hanseatenkreuz (look at the photo)?
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Post by Requin Marteau » 19 Oct 2017, 12:04

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:Lots of Awards for this Konteradmiral:

- Kgl. Preuß. Kaiser Wilhelm-Erinnerungsmedaille 1797-1897 (“Centenarmedaille”) (1897)
- RK II. Klasse des Kgl. Sächs. Albrechts-Ordens (1903)
- Russischer St. Annen-Orden III. Klasse (1903)
- Kgl. Preuß. Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse (1908)
- Russischer St. Stanislaus-Orden II. Klasse (1910)
- Kgl. Preuß. Dienstauszeichnungskreuz (1912)
- Kgl. Preuß. Kronen-Orden III. Klasse (1914)
- 1914 EK I
- 1914 EK II
- Komtur I. Klasse des Kgl. Württembg. Friedrichs-Ordens mit Schwertern
- Braunschweigisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse
- Braunschweigisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz I. Klasse
- Hanseatenkreuz Hamburg

- Kgl. Preuß. Kronen-Orden II. Klasse mit Schwertern : date ?
- Türkischer Eiserner Halbmond : date ?
- Offizierkreuz des Kgl. Sächs. Albrechts-Ordens : ?
- Finn. Freiheitskreuz I. Klasse mit Schwertern : 1918
- Finn. Erinnerungsmedaille des Freiheitskrieg 1918 : maybe
- Ehrenkreuz für Frontkämpfer


Any more Awards to add? I think he might had one more Hanseatenkreuz (look at the photo)?
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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 20 Oct 2017, 11:02

Kgl. Preuß. Kronen-Orden II. Klasse mit Schwertern: 1918, 09.07.
Türkischer Eiserner Halbmond: 1918, 11.09.F, visible on the photo
Offizierskreuz des Kgl. Sächs. Albrechts-Ordens: also, one of the 3 neck awards he's wearing?
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Post by Requin Marteau » 20 Oct 2017, 12:04

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:Offizierskreuz des Kgl. Sächs. Albrechts-Ordens: also, one of the 3 neck awards he's wearing?
Thanks.
Neck order (From top to bottom)
- Kgl. Preuß. Kronen-Orden II. Klasse mit Schwertern,
- Komtur I. Klasse des Kgl. Württembg. Friedrichs-Ordens mit Schwertern,
- Finn. Freiheitskreuz I. Klasse mit Schwertern.

Ribbonbar : possibility, maybe 12 medals
- 1914 EK II,
- Kgl. Preuß. Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse,
- Kgl. Preuß. Kronen-Orden III. Klasse,
- RK II. Klasse des Kgl. Sächs. Albrechts-Ordens,
- Hanseatenkreuz Hamburg,
- Braunschweigisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse,
- Kgl. Preuß. Dienstauszeichnungskreuz,
- Kgl. Preuß. Kaiser Wilhelm-Erinnerungsmedaille 1897,
- Finn. Erinnerungsmedaille des Freiheitskrieg 1918,
- Russischer St. Annen-Orden III. Klasse,
- ?,
- ?.

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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 22 Feb 2018, 22:19

Requin Marteau wrote:
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:Offizierskreuz des Kgl. Sächs. Albrechts-Ordens: also, one of the 3 neck awards he's wearing?
Thanks.
A better photo of his medal bar!
In my opinion:

- EK II
- Kgl. Preuß. Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse
- Kgl. Preuß. Kronen-Orden III. Klasse
- RK II. Klasse des Kgl. Sächs. Albrechts-Ordens
- Hanseatenkreuz Hamburg
- another Hanseatenkreuz???
- k.u.k. Österr. Orden der Eisernen Krone III Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration ???
- k.u.k. Österr. Militär-Verdienstkreuz III Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration ???
- Finn. Erinnerungsmedaille des Freiheitskrieg 1918 ???
- Braunschweigisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse
- Kgl. Preuß. Kaiser Wilhelm-Erinnerungsmedaille 1897
- China Denkmünze in Bronze or Kolonial Denkmünze ??? (he was in Tsingtau for three months in 1898) The ribbon above this medal has straight vertical lines, I took this photo with a phone so it doesn't show the lines, but I can see the lines when looking at this photo in the book.
- ???
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Post by Requin Marteau » 23 Feb 2018, 18:42

Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:
Requin Marteau wrote:
Kriegsmarine Großadmiral wrote:Offizierskreuz des Kgl. Sächs. Albrechts-Ordens: also, one of the 3 neck awards he's wearing?
Thanks.
A better photo of his medal bar!
In my opinion:

- EK II
- Kgl. Preuß. Roter Adler-Orden IV. Klasse
- Kgl. Preuß. Kronen-Orden III. Klasse
- RK II. Klasse des Kgl. Sächs. Albrechts-Ordens
- Hanseatenkreuz Hamburg
- another Hanseatenkreuz??? BREMISCHES HANSEATENKREUZ
- k.u.k. Österr. Orden der Eisernen Krone III Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration ???
- k.u.k. Österr. Militär-Verdienstkreuz III Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration ???
- Finn. Erinnerungsmedaille des Freiheitskrieg 1918 ???
- Braunschweigisches Kriegsverdienstkreuz II. Klasse
- Kgl. Preuß. Kaiser Wilhelm-Erinnerungsmedaille 1897
- China Denkmünze in Bronze or Kolonial Denkmünze ??? (he was in Tsingtau for three months in 1898) The ribbon above this medal has straight vertical lines, I took this photo with a phone so it doesn't show the lines, but I can see the lines when looking at this photo in the book.
- ???

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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 23 Feb 2018, 18:47

What about the awards I highlited in red? Do you agree with them? I'm pretty sure the 2 k.u.k. Österr. awards are those as listed above. I am not sure about the China/Kolonial Denkmünze.
1 k.u.k. Österr. Orden der Eisernen Krone III Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration
2 k.u.k. Österr. Militär-Verdienstkreuz III Klasse mit der Kriegsdekoration
3 China Denkmünze in Bronze or Kolonial Denkmünze
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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 24 Feb 2018, 11:29

Here is a better photo.
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Post by askropp » 15 Nov 2018, 00:29

Just found this in Stumpf, Die Wehrmacht-Elite:
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If the WASt really had the Personalakte, the promotion to full rank (already suspected by Hildebrandt) should be valid.
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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 15 Nov 2018, 22:45

askropp wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 00:29
Just found this in Stumpf, Die Wehrmacht-Elite:

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If the WASt really had the Personalakte, the promotion to full rank (already suspected by Hildebrandt) should be valid.
Great work askropp! It would make sense he got the patent as Konteradmiral z.V. since he was in service since July 1941 until January 1943.
Can you please tell me what PA/WASt means? I am not familiar with these kind of terms.
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Personalakte / Wehrmachtauskunftstelle.
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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 21 Jan 2024, 14:59

Was his first name Walter or Walther?
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Post by askropp » 18 Mar 2024, 17:59

He signed as "Walther", but some older documents also spell him "Walter". Impossible to say without his Geburtsurkunde.

Note that Stumpf was wrong when he noted the date of Isendahl's patent. He did not get it before 1 September 1942 (see PA).
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Post by Kriegsmarine Großadmiral » 18 Mar 2024, 18:29

Should we then change his name to Walther (if he signed like that) or not?

Regarding the Patent, both 1 August 1941 and 1 September 1942 are mentioned as the dates of the Patent to Konteradmiral z.V.
All three entries seem to be post-war.
How do we know which one is correct?
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Post by askropp » 18 Mar 2024, 19:18

The sources are given, so the info should be correct. Of course Isendahl cannot have been promoted twice, so the earlier date obviously shows when he was placed on z.V. der Kriegsmarine (as Char. KA) in 1941. No one got the patent without serving several months or years first.
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