What is Eigentum pistol ?

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What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by Kelvin » 15 Jan 2019 08:28

Hi, I see HJ division had 155 x Eigentum pistols on 31st Dec 1944, I would like to ask what is Eigentum pistols ? Any different with 9mm or 7.65mm pistols ? Thank

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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by GregSingh » 15 Jan 2019 08:53

Are you translating this correctly ? What's the original German sentence?
Eigentum means ownership/property/possession, not the model, I think.
If we become increasingly humble about how little we know, we may be more eager to search.

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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by Hisname » 15 Jan 2019 12:36

Eigentum - property
155 eigentum - Indicates that there are 155 pistols in the military unit.
HJ - 12th SS Panzer Division "Hitlerjugend" ?
If so, then 155 pistols per division is normal.
Each officer had one pistol.
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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by Kelvin » 16 Jan 2019 04:37

Hisname wrote:
15 Jan 2019 12:36
Eigentum - property
155 eigentum - Indicates that there are 155 pistols in the military unit.
HJ - 12th SS Panzer Division "Hitlerjugend" ?
If so, then 155 pistols per division is normal.
Each officer had one pistol.
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Hi, Hisname, HJ data is quoted from waffen breakdown of HJ division on Dec 31 1944

Orignial statement says :
3,709 x 9mm pistolen
996 x 7.65mm pistolen und 155 x Eigentum-Pistolen

That mean, this items is only for officers and separated from other pistol breakdown ?

BTW, 7.65mm pistolen means Walter PPK only ? Thank.

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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by Richard Anderson » 16 Jan 2019 06:30

Personally owned officers weapons.
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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by Hisname » 16 Jan 2019 12:34

Kelvin wrote:
16 Jan 2019 04:37


Hi, Hisname, HJ data is quoted from waffen breakdown of HJ division on Dec 31 1944

Orignial statement says :
3,709 x 9mm pistolen
996 x 7.65mm pistolen und 155 x Eigentum-Pistolen

That mean, this items is only for officers and separated from other pistol breakdown ?

BTW, 7.65mm pistolen means Walter PPK only ? Thank.
I apologize, but I do not have such good information. Almost all my knowledge about this, I have already written. Sorry.

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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by Richie B » 16 Jan 2019 21:29

Other possible 7.65 mm pistols

Sauer 38H
Browning 1910/22
Mauser HSc

All quite widely used by the Germans

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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by Kelvin » 17 Jan 2019 06:19

Richie B wrote:
16 Jan 2019 21:29
Other possible 7.65 mm pistols

Sauer 38H
Browning 1910/22
Mauser HSc

All quite widely used by the Germans
Hi, Richie, thank for your data. I think Sauer 38H and Mauser HSc were right and but Browing 1910/22 is from Belgium or manufactured under German occupied Belgiun. In German report style, it belongs to Captured weapon list, not belongs to standard weapon list.

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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by Hoover » 17 Jan 2019 10:23

"Eigentumspistolen" are privatley bought and owned pistols by officers. The type is not specified nor the calibre.So it coulbe be 6,35mm or 7,65mm or 9mm of different manufactures. My uncle had a ridiculous small FN Baby 6,35 mm with absolutely no combat value, but he has been in an office all the war, so the gun was more a decoration item. My greatuncle carried a PP 7,65mm. He bought the gun after he got the permission by the Wehrmacht to do so (he gave the PP to the police in the early 80´s, which is a shame. But I was to young then).

I think there are hundreds of possible pistols if you want to create a list of types.

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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by Richie B » 17 Jan 2019 10:30

Kelvin wrote:
17 Jan 2019 06:19
Richie B wrote:
16 Jan 2019 21:29
Other possible 7.65 mm pistols

Sauer 38H
Browning 1910/22
Mauser HSc

All quite widely used by the Germans
Hi, Richie, thank for your data. I think Sauer 38H and Mauser HSc were right and but Browing 1910/22 is from Belgium or manufactured under German occupied Belgiun. In German report style, it belongs to Captured weapon list, not belongs to standard weapon list.
Fair enough - I thought I would include the Browning as it was a 7.65mm pistol used by the Germans - both captured from the Belgians and others and manufactured under their control.

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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by Richard Anderson » 17 Jan 2019 17:19

Hoover wrote:
17 Jan 2019 10:23
"Eigentumspistolen" are privatley bought and owned pistols by officers.
Yep, exactly what I said, two days ago, so be prepared to have the simple answer ignored as the others continue down the rabbit hole. :welcome:
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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by kladinovi » 31 May 2019 20:29

the writing simply say its property of the NSDAP and part of the SA (Sturmabteilung) Alpenland not an specific Officer, which as far as i can tell was in Linz in Oberösterreich or upper Austria, so that it clearly shows its party property

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Re: What is Eigentum pistol ?

Post by kladinovi » 31 May 2019 20:37

http://www.tague.at/pistolen/index.htm? ... uer38h.htm and its very likely to be a sauer if you look at the grips it shows SS which stands for Sauer und Sohn

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