In the case of A.32 I actually marked the hit incorrectly, the survey has this hit as penetration and not as scoop. I wrongly marked the hit as non pen in the other column. The last sentences of the description said it didn't penetrate so I marked the knock out hit as non pen but it in the columns of hits I already marked it as pens.Tom from Cornwall wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019 20:31Hi,
No, I am afraid you are mistaken or are misconstruing what you are reading.This is exactly what their data says tho. The tank was hit, not penned and abandoned. So the tank was ko'ed without pen. The data certainly has a definition of "non-pen" that I disagree with but my classification is 100% correct. Hit-->"no pen"-->Crew baled = Ko'ed tank without pen.
This is clearly a penetration, they are saying that it didn't "penetrate the crew compartment".(a) crew got out after the first hit had damaged the top of the gear box, but does not appear to have gone back into the turret. No fire in the front compartment;
And even clearer example is A27 which states that:
So clearly, hit (a) penetrated the gearbox but didn't enter the crew compartment. Hence they classed this as "didn't penetrate the crew compartment", you fail to make that distinction.Position of Hit: a) through front of gearbox. b ) 82 x 91 mm. diameter penetration through right side of 75 mm. mantlet. c) hit on 0.5” Browning mounting on roof of turret.
Course & Effect of Projectiles: Shot a) went first through a bogie which was being carried on the front of the hull, and then into the
gearbox. It did not harm the crew who started to bale out; b ) hit the tank after the Commander had got out, while the Gunner and Operator were still in the turret, the latter under the 75 mm. gun climbing across to the Commander’s hatch. It hurt no one and appeared to have done minor internal damage. Its course could not be traced; c) hit the Gunner in the head, killing him as he was getting out. It also threw off fragments which wounded the Commander who was standing beside the tank.
This is another clear example in which your interpretation would be fine if you added "crew compartment" to your definition of "did not pen".
And again A32 is another good example of where you are mistaken:
The survey states that:
Note multiple use of the word "penetration" and that, in this case, the first hits injured the driver albeit by "secondary fragments".Position of Hit: a) penetration into left final drive; b ) penetration through lower edge of extra armour welded in front of Driver; c) penetration through centre of front of hull just above gear box; d) penetration through lower edge of 75 mm. gun mantlet to left of gun;; h) hit on front of left sprocket.e), f) and g) penetrations into left final drive
Course & Effect of Projectiles:
Shot a) went into left final drive. This shot and/or e) knocked loose the plate separating the final drive and Driver’s compartment; b ) damaged exterior of forward left sponson ammunition bin, but did not explode any of the contained ammunition. Paths of individual shots were not traced, but an unexploded Kw. K. 40 APCBC. round was found on the floor of the turret. The engine of this tank was not burnt. Some 75 mm. rounds on the floor of the turret had burnt; but rounds in all three sponson ammunition bins had not burnt. Tank burned quietly for half an hour and then went out. Shot a) or e) was the first to hit, and injured the Driver and caused the crew to bale out. This shot did not penetrate into crew compartment, and the Driver must have been injured by secondary fragments.
You might want to have another look at all these:
A27, A32, A35, A42, A72, A65, A79 and B73 - all of which I would suggest you might want to reclassify.
I hope that helps.
Edited to add: that's all from me tonight, I'm not disappearing though, just got more important things to do.
This one is certainly an odd case because they emphasize that the hit did not penetrate the crew compartment:
In A.27 the pictures of the survey have the hits mixed up, but this one as well should be marked as pen.This shot did not penetrate into crew compartment, and the Driver must have been injured by secondary fragments.
In case of A.35 the entry cleary states the crew baled before penetration.
A.42 is also correctly compiled and correctly classified from what I can tell.
A.65 correctly compiled, but was already stated by me as an odd case.
A.72 also wrongly compiled by me.
A.79 is correct from what I can tell.
B.73 also correct. No penetration at all occured.
A.27 A.35 A.72 are without a doubt incorrectly marked by me. A.32 I mixed up the last sentence because compiling the hits and "knockout before pens" happened at different dates, so I wrongly interpreted the last sentence in the descriptions. A.72 is completely false no idea what happened there. A.27 also incorrectly marked but there are also mistakes in the hit markings on pictures, which still are pens like in hit columsn so also no idea where I got this wrong. The rest is correct I assume.
Want to point out that the mistakes lay with me here, the survey cataloged those hits properly, I compiled them wrongly. Did you see others?