Facts are important, not opinions. Already on July 6, the Germans controlled 80% of Voronezh. While that day received a categorical order to withdraw divisions from battle and send south. If not intervention of Halder, Voronezh could have been fully occupied on July 6. Von Bock considered such a date as a quick capture of the city.DavidFrankenberg wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 18:29Only Hitler, Halder and Hoth appeared to have been military experts in that case. Not VB.jesk wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:59Yes, even on July 6, von Bock spoke about ahead of the time of occupation of Voronezh. We are not military experts and do not know how long it took to seize the city. Von Bock considered the task coped quickly.DavidFrankenberg wrote: ↑24 Mar 2019, 17:41In front of VB's stubbornness Hitler finally allowed him to do so if :
-easy and quick capture
In the 4th tank army 3 infantry divisions. This would be a fundamental decision to ban the use of motorized divisions. It took time to regroup the divisions for blow by infantry on Voronezh. It is surprising that apart from your logic, no other indications of a similar order on July 3.Of course it was. Why do you think Hitler forbade him to strike Voronej and rather go south if not to allow the fast shipment of motor. div. down the south in order to encircle soviet troops ?On July 3, nothing was said about it.-send the motor. div. south
Order of battle (24 June 1942)
XXIV. Armeekorps (mot)
- 377. Infanterie-Division
- 9. Panzer-Division
- 3. Infanterie-Division (mot)
XIII. Armeekorps
- 82. Infanterie-Division
- 2/3 385. Infanterie-Division
- 11. Panzer-Division
XXXXVIII. Armeekorps (mot)
- Infanterie-Division “Großdeutschland”
- 24. Panzer-Division
There are no documents and in fact you only operate with Halder’s diary. At the same time accusing von Bock of anti-Nazism. His information cannot be trusted. He's lying! Halder is telling the truth. It is necessary to choose from sources. They are highly polar. And my choice is in favor of von Bock.It is very easy when we look at Voronej's events.Your last arguments are empty. You have lost the discussion and do not want to admit it. Crimea, Rostov, now unfortunately and Voronezh. It is difficult to prove the moments of superiority of Hitler over his generals ..