Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

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Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

Post by AlainDucasse » 30 May 2011 08:18

Does anybody has a photo of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug. According to my informations he was born * 19. April 1898 in Pressburg; † unknown. He was originally a motorcar mechanic and he was Hitler´s first chauffeur from November 1922 - November 1923. Haug was the brother of Eugenie Haug (* 14. Mai 1891 in Preßburg; † 2. Oktober 1944 in Munich) who stood very close to the NSDAP.
I found one pic with young hitler, but I´m not sure if the driver is Haug?
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Post by Oberhessin » 30 May 2011 12:42

Interesting foto. Although I have seen it many times, Ididn't think about the driver - and I am looking for a Haug picture too.

Where do you know that Haug must be on this foto?
Beneath Hitler I see Graf, Buch, Hans Klotz and Christian Weber.
Its a pity that the woman in the back is not known - Haug and his sister usually were present at all party rallies, meeting etc. till the Ende of 1923.

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Re: Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

Post by AlainDucasse » 30 May 2011 13:21

Thanks for your reply. Because the photo is from the early 20th and the driver doesn´t look like Julius Schreck, I thought it might be Ernst Johann Haug.

The men left of the lady looks like Julius Schaub.

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Post by Oberhessin » 31 May 2011 06:05

No, Ithink this is Christian Weber.

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Re: Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

Post by jeffhan373 » 31 May 2011 16:05

In the car to Hitler's left: Ulrich Graf, Hans Ulrich Klintzsch (first commander of the SA), Walter Buch, Christian Weber. This photo would be pre 1923 Putsch (Klintzsch wouldn't have been in any photos from post 1923). I think the main chauffeur during this time was Emil Maurice. I've never seen a photo of Haug, so I can't say it is or is not him. But that driver could be Maurice, looking a bit severe here in this image though.

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Post by AlainDucasse » 31 May 2011 16:26

I found two pics of Emil Maurice. You can judge by yourself if it is Maurice or Haug, but for my personal feeling the driver on the photo looks older. I will keep searching.
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Post by jeffhan373 » 31 May 2011 20:27

The photo was taken at the Deutscher Tag in Hof, on September 16, 1923. The Library of Congress has a nice clear print of it, which identifies the driver as "Schellshorn", and the man and woman next to the car as "von Winkler & wife". Those names are completely unfamiliar to me - anyone have any info. on them?

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Re: Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

Post by AlainDucasse » 01 Jun 2011 08:09

Johann Schelshorn
(* 11.10.1897 München [Munich], † 1951 München [Munich])
Kraftfahrer (Driver)
Blutorden (blood decoration) recipient
Member of Units of Nov. 9. 1923 Munich Beer Hall Putsch :02. Stab des Führers : (09.11.23 Assignment),
Driver for company Wilhelm Faber
NSDAP member (No. 9095)
driver for NSDAP (Göring, Ludendorff, Hitler) since 1.6.1923
Drove Hitler to Hof, Bayreuth, Berlin
Later working for city of Munich

Sources:
1) Paul Bruppacher, Adolf Hitler und die Geschichte der NSDAP
2) Anton Joachimsthaler: Hitlers Weg begann in München 1913-1923

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Re: Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

Post by Oberhessin » 01 Jun 2011 11:44

Klintzsch is definetely not on this foto.
The cooperation between Ehrratd and Hitler was finished in autumn of 1923.
There is one from 1922, where Klintzsch stand beneath Hitler.
The man on the right in the car is definetely Christian Weber.

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Re: Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

Post by jeffhan373 » 01 Jun 2011 14:58

My error in identifying the man next to Christian Weber as Klintzsch. As Oberhessin points out, he was out of the picture by that time (he left his SA post in May 1923). The few photos I've seen of him show him wearing the black kepi with skull & crossbones too, clearly not the case here.

The LOC print also identifies this man as "Klotz". Any details about Hans Klotz, and why he would have been in the car?

Here's the LOC print - very clean and showing more people...

http://popartmachine.com/item/pop_art/L ... R-1923-LOT...

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Re: Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

Post by Oberhessin » 01 Jun 2011 15:07

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_Klotz

He is - for instance - the one talking on the Marienplatz, Munich, on November 9th 1923.
Klotz is the one between Graf and Buch.

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Re: Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

Post by jeffhan373 » 01 Jun 2011 20:08

Fascinating biography, many thanks! This also explains why he and Buch would have been in the car that day!

As an aside, I wonder how many other people who took part in the 1923 Putsch wound up on the execution block during the Nazi regime? Some of the victims of June 30, 1934, no doubt, but anyone know of any other single individuals who met this fate?

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Re: Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

Post by AdolfJesus » 12 May 2019 17:12

An interesting note about this photo:
In between Hitler and the driver, there is an erased person, probably standing outside of the car.
Take a look at the highest resolution I was able to find from gettyimages here
The reason why he had to be wiped? I can not figure.
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Re: Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

Post by von thoma » 13 May 2019 02:47

The reason why he had to be wiped? I can not figure.
By jew, or fall out of favor with Hitler
" The right to believe is the right of those who don't know "

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Re: Pic of Hitler´s first chauffeur Ernst Johann Haug

Post by British Sapper » 16 May 2019 03:55

von thoma wrote:
13 May 2019 02:47
The reason why he had to be wiped? I can not figure.
By jew, or fall out of favor with Hitler
If your inferring that the deleted image was deleted due to that person being jewish. How could you relate that to Emil Maurice ?

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