Ubootjäger

[OHara]

"PC-564 was shot up by three Artilleriefährprahms type AFP-C, not M-boats"PC-564 was shot up by three Artilleriefährprahms type AFP-C, not M-boats

That is interesting to me. PC564's report mentioned twice she was being attacked by "ships" but admitedly, her skipper got a lot of things wrong that night. I understand the German force consisted of M 412, M 432, M 442, M 452, the three AFPs, a tug and two armed trawlers and that they sailed in company. Have you seen something that indicates only the AFPs were involved in the scrap with PC564?

[PT Dockyard]

After the Battle has an article on the battle and shows the AFPs. S. E. Morison's "History of the US Navy in WW2" ( the first place I read about this raid) also describes the action as being between the AFPs "Flaklighters" and the PC.

I will scan through Plattbug Kreuzer and Kugler's book, too. I am positve the AFPs did the dirty work.

[PT Dockyard]

"Plattbug Kreuzer" mentions this action also on Page 61- the three AFPs were AF 65, 68 and 71, collectively dubbed "Gruppe Karl."

[OHara]

Yeah, I re-read Morison. I'm wondering now if the Germans sailed in two groups. You don't happen to know the names of the two trawlers? M46?? and M46??, I'd imagine.

[Tiornu]

Is anybody feeling sorry for PC-564 in all this? A dinky little patrol craft going up against all that?

[bayern13]

what exactly were the E-Boats?

[Königstiger]

what exactly were the E-Boats?

E-Boat (Enemy Boat) was the British name for the German Schnellboot.

[Tiornu]

No one knows where the term "E-boat" came from. It may have been a leftover from the German E-boats of WWI. Or it may have been a reference to the Lurssen Effect in German design.

[PT Dockyard]

Vince,
M4613 took part in the raid on Granville. The other craft were:
M class Mineseepers:
M 412
M 452
M 432
M 442

AFPs:
AF 65
AF71
AF 68

Hafenschutz Boats
FK 01, FK 04, FK 56, FL 13

Tug Diecksand

[Edward L. Hsiao]

This is a pretty interesting topic indeed! Small vessels like these sometimes see more action than the big gun vessels.

Edward L. Hsiao

[Paul Lakowski]

This is a pretty interesting topic indeed! Small vessels like these sometimes see more action than the big gun vessels.
Edward L. Hsiao

It seems with many navies of that time, "the quality of the skipper was inversely proportional to the displacement of the warship.

[Felix C]

Regarding UJ Boats, I did wonder how good was German Asdic. Their hydrophones were excellent and they formed hunting groups to triangulate the location of a submarine. The 1940 attacks against British subs in the Kattegat area were targeted by patrol boats in groups using hydrophones.

[Edward L. Hsiao]

I wonder if UJ Boats sometimes captured or sink Allied merchant ships on the high seas? I remember reading a book about a UJ Boat that actually sank a freighter on the high seas.

Edward L. Hsiao