Classification of a wreck

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Michael Kenny » 10 Oct 2019 18:33

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10 Oct 2019 18:14
manipulation is not some silly new thing or "conspiracy theory" it existed since the beginning of film..............

This is the link to where I got the film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 1zm1RbtX6o


I think someone warned the Illuminati you were on to them and they are destroying the evidence.


Again- I am afraid I have no time at all for crazy conspiracy theories and have no more to say on the subject.

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Contender » 10 Oct 2019 18:42

Michael Kenny wrote:
10 Oct 2019 18:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 1zm1RbtX6o
I think someone warned the Illuminati you were on to them and they are destroying the evidence.
Again- I am afraid I have no time at all for crazy conspiracy theories and have no more to say on the subject.
Video unavailable, you squandered your opportunity to rick roll. :lol:
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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Michael Kenny » 10 Oct 2019 18:44

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10 Oct 2019 18:42
Video unavailable, you squandered your chance to rick roll.
No. You have
I have a copy .
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Contender » 10 Oct 2019 18:48

Michael Kenny wrote:
10 Oct 2019 18:44
Contender wrote:
10 Oct 2019 18:42
Video unavailable, you squandered your chance to rick roll.
No. You have
I have a copy .
I never posted any links (did you get the joke?) also was your ownership in dispute?
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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 10 Oct 2019 19:09

Ulater,

Which book are those pages from?

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Michael Kenny » 10 Oct 2019 19:54

Tom from Cornwall wrote:
10 Oct 2019 19:09


Which book are those pages from?
Zetterling 1944. The footnotes on page 74-75 of chapter 6 'German Tanks Employed In Normandy '

I believe an updated version is in the works and will soon be released.

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Ulater » 10 Oct 2019 19:57

Tom from Cornwall wrote:
10 Oct 2019 19:09
Ulater,

Which book are those pages from?

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Tom


Normandy 1944: German Military Organization, Combat Power and Organizational Effectiveness.

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Contender » 10 Oct 2019 20:29

Michael Kenny wrote:
10 Oct 2019 19:54
I have a copy
Which you could not or would not produce what unfortunate turn of events :|

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Michael Kenny » 10 Oct 2019 20:36

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10 Oct 2019 20:29

Which you could not or would not produce what unfortunate turn of events :|
- I am afraid I have no time at all for crazy conspiracy theories and have no more to say on the subject.

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Contender » 10 Oct 2019 20:51

Michael Kenny wrote:
10 Oct 2019 20:36
I am afraid I have no time at all for crazy conspiracy theories and have no more to say on the subject.
It is a conspiracy that you own the video? If so it was started by your earlier post.

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Michael Kenny » 10 Oct 2019 20:54

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10 Oct 2019 20:51

It is a conspiracy that you own the video? If so it was started by your earlier post.
I am afraid I have no time at all for crazy conspiracy theories and have no more to say on the subject.

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Contender » 10 Oct 2019 21:05

Michael Kenny wrote:
10 Oct 2019 20:54
I am afraid I have no time at all for crazy conspiracy theories and have no more to say on the subject.
A yes or no answer would suffice there is no reason to spam I asked for a link to your footage your reply is unfortunately not what I have come to expect from a good poster.

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Ulater » 10 Oct 2019 21:20

Oh wow, I just noticed another peculiarity.

Kenny with his:
The other critical issue at the heart of this whole debate that the author fails to directly address is that the Germans in 1943-44 had a crappy and dishonest reporting system for unit Panzer strength. They did not make any attempt to dis-aggregate the status of non-operational tanks based on combat damage vs. non-combat mechanical problems. I do not agree with the quote from Friedl’s book on p.23 that this was simply due to local commanders trying to shield their stash of tanks from the prying eyes of Berlin bureaucrats. The whole categorization system of “Total loss/short-term/repair/long-term repair” is a system-wide problem on all the fronts in 1943-44 and 1944. This reporting system is very different from the more honest and clear one used in 1939-40. I am not sure whether it was done deliberately to hide combat casualties or was simply incompetent. I have never seen an adequate explanation for the system, and the reporting system seems to be taken at face value in many sources such as Zetterling. The problems of the reporting system are evident in looking at German Panzer loss reports for France in the summer of 1944 where Panzer losses in June, July and August are unbelievably low and then suddenly in September, they write off most of the Panzer inventory in one fell swoop.
Seems to know exactly where the pages of the book speculating about how Brits did exactly the same thing as germans with delayed write-offs are.

Why am I not surprised. :lol:

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Tom from Cornwall » 10 Oct 2019 21:21

Hi,

It seems strange that Zetterling would say in that footnote that “long-term” items were sent to rear facilities but that from the numbers it seems some at least were repaired locally and returned to either operational or short term repair status. All very vague. Plenty of scope for statistical chicanery. 😄

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Re: Classification of a wreck

Post by Michael Kenny » 10 Oct 2019 21:24

Contender wrote:
10 Oct 2019 21:05
A yes or no answer would suffice there is no reason to spam I asked for a link to your footage your reply is unfortunately not what I have come to expect from a good poster.
I am afraid I have no time at all for crazy conspiracy theories and have no more to say on the subject.

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