Sounds like something Stalin himself would say!
Japan delays Pearl Harbor, attacks USSR during the high point of Barbarossa
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"Countries don't have friends, they have interests." Not sure I agree with that.
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Intelligent politicians do not fight for honor,but for the interests of their country .
At the end of the First Gulf War, US abandoned the Kurds,because it was in the interest of the US .
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Palmerstone was right .OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:19"Countries don't have friends, they have interests." Not sure I agree with that.
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We had our choice of supporting the French in Indochina or the locals. We needed a strong France in Europe.ljadw wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:23Intelligent politicians do not fight for honor,but for the interests of their country .
At the end of the First Gulf War, US abandoned the Kurds,because it was in the interest of the US .
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Britain declared war on Germany when the Germans attacked Belgium/France, not when the Germans attacked Russia, not when Italy attacked the Ottoman Empire, not when the Balkan states attacked the Ottoman Empire, not when the Soviets attacked Finland, Poland, the Baltics.
This proves that British foreign policy was dictated ( in 1914 ) by Real Politik, not by absurd notions of honor .
This proves that British foreign policy was dictated ( in 1914 ) by Real Politik, not by absurd notions of honor .
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It's like a business decision. If you contract for materials at a higher price than the low bidder just because the winner is a friend you're not doing your business any favors. Still don't have to like it.ljadw wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:25Palmerstone was right .OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:19"Countries don't have friends, they have interests." Not sure I agree with that.
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US supported the French in Indochina because there was a cold war, and because they were afraid that Indochina would become communist.OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:29We had our choice of supporting the French in Indochina or the locals. We needed a strong France in Europe.ljadw wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:23Intelligent politicians do not fight for honor,but for the interests of their country .
At the end of the First Gulf War, US abandoned the Kurds,because it was in the interest of the US .
In 1945 OTOH,FDR planned to eject the French from Indochina .
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I think he would have liked to do that, but I doubt he could have actually done it. We weren't going to fight France.ljadw wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:34US supported the French in Indochina because there was a cold war, and because they were afraid that Indochina would become communist.OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:29We had our choice of supporting the French in Indochina or the locals. We needed a strong France in Europe.ljadw wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:23Intelligent politicians do not fight for honor,but for the interests of their country .
At the end of the First Gulf War, US abandoned the Kurds,because it was in the interest of the US .
In 1945 OTOH,FDR planned to eject the French from Indochina .
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"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?"OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:31It's like a business decision. If you contract for materials at a higher price than the low bidder just because the winner is a friend you're not doing your business any favors. Still don't have to like it.ljadw wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:25Palmerstone was right .OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:19"Countries don't have friends, they have interests." Not sure I agree with that.
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Anyone who believes honor didn't matter to the Japanese during WW2 is living in an ahistorical neoliberal dream.BobTheBarbarian wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 07:10"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?"OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:31It's like a business decision. If you contract for materials at a higher price than the low bidder just because the winner is a friend you're not doing your business any favors. Still don't have to like it.ljadw wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:25Palmerstone was right .OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:19"Countries don't have friends, they have interests." Not sure I agree with that.
That said, the Hitlerian strategy I sketch is not based primarily on honor. It's based on Japan's interest in having an ally in its fight against the US and the credible threat Hitler could have made to deny alliance.
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Re: Japan delays Pearl Harbor, attacks USSR during the high point of Barbarossa
Faced between the choice to gain the whole world and forfeit one's soul, most people will chose the first option .BobTheBarbarian wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 07:10"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?"OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:31It's like a business decision. If you contract for materials at a higher price than the low bidder just because the winner is a friend you're not doing your business any favors. Still don't have to like it.ljadw wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:25Palmerstone was right .OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:19"Countries don't have friends, they have interests." Not sure I agree with that.
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Fallacy : Japanese soldiers did not fight for honor, but because they were called up .TheMarcksPlan wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 07:27Anyone who believes honor didn't matter to the Japanese during WW2 is living in an ahistorical neoliberal dream.BobTheBarbarian wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 07:10"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?"OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:31It's like a business decision. If you contract for materials at a higher price than the low bidder just because the winner is a friend you're not doing your business any favors. Still don't have to like it.ljadw wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:25Palmerstone was right .OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:19"Countries don't have friends, they have interests." Not sure I agree with that.
And Japan did not declare war for honor but to defend its interests .
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Re: Japan delays Pearl Harbor, attacks USSR during the high point of Barbarossa
Yachts, mansions, hotties, flunkies, etc.BobTheBarbarian wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 07:10"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?"OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:31It's like a business decision. If you contract for materials at a higher price than the low bidder just because the winner is a friend you're not doing your business any favors. Still don't have to like it.ljadw wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:25Palmerstone was right .OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:19"Countries don't have friends, they have interests." Not sure I agree with that.
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Fallacy.ljadw wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 13:32Fallacy : Japanese soldiers did not fight for honor, but because they were called up .TheMarcksPlan wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 07:27Anyone who believes honor didn't matter to the Japanese during WW2 is living in an ahistorical neoliberal dream.BobTheBarbarian wrote: ↑08 Nov 2019, 07:10"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?"OpanaPointer wrote: ↑07 Nov 2019, 20:31It's like a business decision. If you contract for materials at a higher price than the low bidder just because the winner is a friend you're not doing your business any favors. Still don't have to like it.
And Japan did not declare war for honor but to defend its interests .
Japanese soldiers, in the main, continued to fight past the point of surrender because of honor.
It was in Japan's best interests not to go to war with a power they could not defeat...They went to war anyway.