The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

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The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Sid Guttridge » 12 Nov 2019 12:27

Frederick Trump, the father of the current president, was a New Yorker of German origin.

New York was also home to the HQ of the German-American Bund in the 1930s.

Has any work been done one what Frederick Trump's attitude was towards (1) Nazi Germany and (2) the German-American Bund?

He certainly made money supporting the US naval war effort during WWII, but were his opinions in the 1930s?

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Anthonycumia1776 » 13 Nov 2019 06:28

Sid Guttridge wrote:
12 Nov 2019 12:27
Frederick Trump, the father of the current president, was a New Yorker of German origin.

New York was also home to the HQ of the German-American Bund in the 1930s.

Has any work been done one what Frederick Trump's attitude was towards (1) Nazi Germany and (2) the German-American Bund?

He certainly made money supporting the US naval war effort during WWII, but were his opinions in the 1930s?

Cheers,

Sid.
Why does this matter?

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Sid Guttridge » 13 Nov 2019 12:22

Hi Anthonycumia1784,

How can we know if it matters or not, if nobody raises the question?

We know that Frederick Trump's son is something of an isolationist. It would be interesting to know if the father was as well before WWII.

And, as his father was of German descent, his attitude towards Germany in the Nazi era is of some interest as well.

So, to repeat:

"Frederick Trump, the father of the current president, was a New Yorker of German origin.

New York was also home to the HQ of the German-American Bund in the 1930s.

Has any work been done one what Frederick Trump's attitude was towards (1) Nazi Germany and (2) the German-American Bund?

He certainly made money supporting the US naval war effort during WWII, but what were his opinions in the 1930s
?"

Cheers,

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by ROLAND1369 » 13 Nov 2019 14:49

I would agree, it is on only of interest to current political assassins.

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by LineDoggie » 13 Nov 2019 18:01

Sid Guttridge wrote:
13 Nov 2019 12:22
Hi Anthonycumia1784,

How can we know if it matters or not, if nobody raises the question?

We know that Frederick Trump's son is something of an isolationist. It would be interesting to know if the father was as well before WWII.

And, as his father was of German descent, his attitude towards Germany in the Nazi era is of some interest as well.

So, to repeat:



Only of interest if we practice Sippenhaft now?

because honestly it is only to be used to somehow smear the current POTUS just as saying Barack Obama Sr. was a Bigamist and statutory rapist
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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Gorque » 14 Nov 2019 01:18

Hi Sid:

Do you think Fred Trump gave the German-American Bund a rental discount?

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Sid Guttridge » 14 Nov 2019 14:40

Hi Linedoggie,

The question is about Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

I have no reason to think that anything that may or may not result from this thread would, could or should smear his son today.

Do you?

Sippenhaft (for which there is no English equivalent word) is a concept alien to me. My feelings are that the sins of the fathers should not be inflicted on the sons.

Donald Trump was born after the war, could have had no influence on his father during or before it and is not the subject of this thread.

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Sid Guttridge » 14 Nov 2019 14:49

Hi Gorque,

I don't even know if Frederick Trump had any opinions on, or connections to, the German-American Bund.

Hence my open question.

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Gorque » 14 Nov 2019 16:21

Hi Sid:

From Wikipedia:
The Bund's national headquarters was located at 178 East 85th Street in the New York City borough of Manhattan.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7783445 ... 384!8i8192

I don't think so.

Fred Trump's 1927 arrest:
On Memorial Day in 1927, the Ku Klux Klan marched in Queens to protest Protestant American citizens being "assaulted by Roman Catholic police of New York City."[19] Trump and six other men were arrested "on a charge of refusing to disperse from a parade when ordered to do so."[20][21] All seven arrested were referred to as "berobed marchers" in the Long Island Daily Press; Trump was the only one not held on charges.[19][22] When asked about the issue in September 2015, Donald Trump, then a candidate for president of the United States, denied that his father had ever been arrested.[19][23]
Sounds like a religious issue.

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Sid Guttridge » 15 Nov 2019 15:29

Hi Gorque,

Is the KKK an avowedly Protestant organization?

I note that apparently, "On 18 August 1940, (Camp Nordland run by the German-American Bund) was the site of a joint rally with the Ku Klux Klan, organized by Alton Milford Young and Arthur Hornbui Bell....."

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Gorque » 15 Nov 2019 16:24

Sid Guttridge wrote:
15 Nov 2019 15:29
Hi Gorque,

Is the KKK an avowedly Protestant organization?

I note that apparently, "On 18 August 1940, (Camp Nordland run by the German-American Bund) was the site of a joint rally with the Ku Klux Klan, organized by Alton Milford Young and Arthur Hornbui Bell....."

Cheers,

Sid.

Hi Sid:

An avowedly Protestant organization? I'm not sure but I would think so considering where and when it was founded. WASP comes to mind.

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Ken S. » 28 Nov 2019 06:34

In regards to the 1927 march I'd never heard of this before so it was interesting to see how the "media" latched onto it. The wording in the contemporary newspaper accounts is so brief and ambiguous that it's impossible to say if Fred Trump was a marcher or spectator. It's interesting that while all of the others were arrested for assault, he was booked simply for "refusing to disperse" and in the end was discharged. Considering how many people were reportedly at the parade one wonders what he alone could have been doing to warrant the charge. Unless there are other undiscovered newspaper accounts that can shed light on this, we'll never know for certain what his role was. But that didn't stop the "media" from strongly implying that he was a member of the klan.

As for the wikipedia blurb -- if you want to trust that the "media" of the 20s was any more reliable than it is today -- much of it is wrong. The klan was marching to commemorate members who had died in the war; the complaint that they were "assaulted by Roman Catholic police of New York City" stems from the police intervention in that very march. Fred Trump was the only one arrested for "refusing to disperse"; of the rest, two assaulted police and four for fighting. Presumably members of the klan weren't fighting each other so two probably were not from the ranks of the "berobed marchers".

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Sid Guttridge » 28 Nov 2019 14:29

Hi Ken S.,

It is not quite as straightforward as that. It appears that the two quoted newspaper reports of the incident that mention attire state that seven berobed marchers were arrested. Fred Trump was one of the seven.

However, it seems to be universally agreed that he was released without charge.

One thing seems likely: such is the interest in his son, if there was more on the incident than this, it would surely have been dug up by now.

Of more interest is what his attitude to the German-American Bund was and whether he was himself an isolationist in the late1930s and early 1940s.

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Re: The attitudes of Frederick Trump in the 1930s.

Post by Ken S. » 28 Nov 2019 23:08

The only reports that I've seen claiming all seven were "berobed" were published on June 2. It's possible that whoever wrote this simply assumed all of those arrested were with the klan. As I stated before, if people were arrested for fighting each other then it's very likely some of "the seven" were not not klansman. Since it's possible that the claim that all seven were "berobed" is incorrect, using this as "proof" that Fred Trump was a member of the klan is irresponsible.

Here is the report from the New York Evening Post. Fred Trump isn't even mentioned, while two others not mentioned in the other sources are named. (If you want to have your "seven berobed" men perhaps from the seven parade arrests you can subtract Fred Trump and one of the men who was fighting a klansman and add these two later arrests who were most likely klansmen.)
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