There is no pretending, Jews were systematically singled out and abused in North Africa.Aida1 wrote: ↑11 Dec 2019, 15:38You are pretending a lot but offer no proof of anything that happened in Rommels area of responsability . Your statement is no proof as no source is given.bam wrote: ↑07 Sep 2019, 20:42Err, YES u can blame rommel and the whermacht, if only for enabling the action. He and they were aware of it. As I stated, Jews were made to work amongst the forward positions, in areas liable to be shelled. If rommel said he didn't know, tough, that's not a defence, he was commander, he should have known.BlaueLitze wrote: ↑06 Sep 2019, 14:09Well, I doubt that the SS and SD you mentioned were ever under Rommel's command. So, if that is so you can't blame the Wehrmacht.bam wrote: ↑06 Aug 2019, 23:38Jews were rounded up in Tunisia in 1942/3 by SS and and SD security services. (no Waffen-SS in Africa). The Jews weren't transported to Europe due to utter lack of spare transport capacity from Africa to italy; Germans could barely transport their own men back.
So the unfortunate Jews, numbering several 100s, maybe not several 1000s, weren't sent to any concentration camps. But they were rounded up, had their property and wealth stolen, were mistreated and brutalised, then they were forced into doing hard labour, including working in military areas that were under attack, uxb clearing, & other shitty jobs. Some were just brutalised and killed as "punishment". There WERE deaths and suffering.
So even Rommel's much praised "Krieg ohne Hass" (war without hate) had its limits. Wherever the Wehrmacht went, they caused suffering. Except maybe in Spitzbergen.
Regardless of that issue:
If u look at the trial of Manstein as a similar case of an army commander charged with failing to protect civilians in his operational area (army commanders had direct rule over their rear areas to a certain number of miles, 10-20?)... This is the verdict:
"Manstein was found guilty on nine of the charges. He was found not guilty on the three charges relating to Poland. He was found culpable for failing to ensure the safety of civilians within his zone of command by issuing scorched earth orders. He was found guilty of allowing the deportation of civilians for slave labour, for using Soviet prisoners of war to construct fortifications, for the execution of commissars, for the poor treatment and deaths of prisoners of war, and for the execution of civilians. He was sentenced to eighteen years in prison. " [Wikipedia]
So rommel, had he lived, would have been convictable of the same types of offence," the deportation of civilians for slave labour", " of authorising or permitting the killing, deportation, and maltreatment of Jews and other civilians, actions which had been undertaken by the Schutzstaffel (SS), the Sicherheitsdienst (SD), army units, and police units. And deliberately failing to prevent such killings and maltreatment."
Civilians illegally compelled to do dangerous work, and work of a military nature, is prohibited by the Hague Convention
It happened in Rommels AOR.
Or are you denying that Jews were abused in Rommels AOR?
I don’t think it’s far fetched to believe that German Policy would be the same in North Africa as it was everywhere else. They didn’t send Rauff to Tunisia to be nice.