What percent of Ostfront losses were German?
What percent of Ostfront losses were German?
To be consistent, I am using KIA figures from Wikipedia. Okw reported 1.7m wehrmact KIA. Assuming 80% were east then that's 1.3m.
Wikipedia also gives deaths for other armies-
Hungary and Romania 500k
SS 300k
Axis partisans 100-200k
Volkstrum 1m or so
So we potentially have 2m KIA who were not German, versus 1.3m who were.
How many Eastern front losses were actually German?
Wikipedia also gives deaths for other armies-
Hungary and Romania 500k
SS 300k
Axis partisans 100-200k
Volkstrum 1m or so
So we potentially have 2m KIA who were not German, versus 1.3m who were.
How many Eastern front losses were actually German?
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Re: What percent of ostfront losses were German?
What does Kia mean?
Re: What percent of ostfront losses were German?
1,3m from Wehrmacht, a good part of SS losses were German losses (let say 150k), Volkssturm was entirely German, so 1m more.
German total : around 2,5m on the Eastern front. Others lost less than 1m.
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German total : around 2,5m on the Eastern front. Others lost less than 1m.
What is your problem, except the will to negate what is obvious to everyone?
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Re: What percent of ostfront losses were German?
Finnish losses in 1941-1944 were 63 204 KIA & MIA.
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Re: What percent of ostfront losses were German?
KIA = Killed in Action
That's more than just a casualty, which also counts for the wounded and the missing,
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Re: What percent of ostfront losses were German?
One in three men fighting for the Germans was not a native German.
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Re: What percent of ostfront losses were German?
FlyingStukas,
The 63 204 KIA & MIA includes also the 255 KIA of the Finnisches Freiwilligen Bataillon (III/"Nordland") and other Finns outside the Bataillon in Wiking. Those 75 KIA in 1941 were all serving in other units of Wiking and the rest (180) were mainly from the Bataillon between January 1942 and February 1943.
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The 63 204 KIA & MIA includes also the 255 KIA of the Finnisches Freiwilligen Bataillon (III/"Nordland") and other Finns outside the Bataillon in Wiking. Those 75 KIA in 1941 were all serving in other units of Wiking and the rest (180) were mainly from the Bataillon between January 1942 and February 1943.
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Re: What percent of ostfront losses were German?
Thanks for the response. Good infoPena V wrote: ↑21 Feb 2020, 14:57FlyingStukas,
The 63 204 KIA & MIA includes also the 255 KIA of the Finnisches Freiwilligen Bataillon (III/"Nordland") and other Finns outside the Bataillon in Wiking. Those 75 KIA in 1941 were all serving in other units of Wiking and the rest (180) were mainly from the Bataillon between January 1942 and February 1943.
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Re: What percent of ostfront losses were German?
Volkstrum was nowhere near german, there were some small forces defending Berlin but it was mostly employed in Poland and the baltics. Wikipedia says there were only 45000 men defending berlin and only 20000 casualties at seelow heights.CNE503 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 15:041,3m from Wehrmacht, a good part of SS losses were German losses (let say 150k), Volkssturm was entirely German, so 1m more.
German total : around 2,5m on the Eastern front. Others lost less than 1m.
What is your problem, except the will to negate what is obvious to everyone?
CNE504
Re: What percent of ostfront losses were German?
lolmustang19 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2020, 19:06Volkstrum was nowhere near german, there were some small forces defending Berlin but it was mostly employed in Poland and the baltics. Wikipedia says there were only 45000 men defending berlin and only 20000 casualties at seelow heights.CNE503 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 15:041,3m from Wehrmacht, a good part of SS losses were German losses (let say 150k), Volkssturm was entirely German, so 1m more.
German total : around 2,5m on the Eastern front. Others lost less than 1m.
What is your problem, except the will to negate what is obvious to everyone?
CNE504
It was Volkssturm ("People's Levy"), not Volkstrum. It was mostly German, with every single German from 16 to 60 enlisted, even if some of Polish, Danish or Czech ascendancy could have probably been called too.
And I get it now: don't feed the troll!
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Re: What percent of ostfront losses were German?
How is it a troll if you're agreeing with me? Wikipedia lists Volkssturm in the places I mentioned, where is your statistic on their place of origin?CNE503 wrote: ↑23 Feb 2020, 19:06lolmustang19 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2020, 19:06Volkstrum was nowhere near german, there were some small forces defending Berlin but it was mostly employed in Poland and the baltics. Wikipedia says there were only 45000 men defending berlin and only 20000 casualties at seelow heights.CNE503 wrote: ↑20 Feb 2020, 15:041,3m from Wehrmacht, a good part of SS losses were German losses (let say 150k), Volkssturm was entirely German, so 1m more.
German total : around 2,5m on the Eastern front. Others lost less than 1m.
What is your problem, except the will to negate what is obvious to everyone?
CNE504
It was Volkssturm ("People's Levy"), not Volkstrum. It was mostly German, with every single German from 16 to 60 enlisted, even if some of Polish, Danish or Czech ascendancy could have probably been called too.
And I get it now: don't feed the troll!
CNE503
Re: What percent of Ostfront losses were German?
If you searched Volkssturm on Wikipedia, I doubt you found anything relevant.
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