Berghof Obersalzberg

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by G.K. » 16 Mar 2020 18:10

Here are two photos of the chairs I found.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CPB » 16 Mar 2020 18:47

Great photos, looks like there was more than one design...very interesting

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by G.K. » 16 Mar 2020 19:01

Yes there were 2 or 3 different terrace chairs.
There were most of the chairs.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Max » 16 Mar 2020 22:25

CPB wrote:
16 Mar 2020 17:13
I bet a lot of it was used for firewood...but I'm sure 1 or 2 must still exist.

Interesting...subtle difference between the chair shown here and the one in the blueprint above.
Is this chair even on the Berghof terrace?
It's quite different to those that obviously are ( back slats/rounded arm rests/seat configuration)
The paving on the Berghof terrace was regular squares; not as shown in the photo.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CPB » 17 Mar 2020 10:49

Hi Max

Yes, here is the full photo. As you can see, the terrace chairs have been dragged around to the front of the building by the main entrance.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CraigM » 17 Mar 2020 11:28

CPB wrote:
17 Mar 2020 10:49
Hi Max

Yes, here is the full photo. As you can see, the terrace chairs have been dragged around to the front of the building by the main entrance.

Chris
I thought that cropped photo looked like it was around the front, but as others have said, the chair doesn't match any of the posted period photos of the terrace. Maybe it's from inside or somewhere else but I'll concede that it does look like an outdoor chair. Note the other chair in that pic with a sign on it - completely different again. And no-one's commented on the table yet.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Max » 17 Mar 2020 14:47

CPB wrote:
17 Mar 2020 10:49
Hi Max

Yes, here is the full photo. As you can see, the terrace chairs have been dragged around to the front of the building by the main entrance.

Chris
Hi Chris
Thanks for that
Cheers
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by G.K. » 17 Mar 2020 15:43

some photos are from before the wachenfeld house was rebuilt. you can still see the old terrace.
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by headwest » 18 Mar 2020 16:59

Hi Everyone

I am trying to timeline the end at the Berghof. I do not have exact dates so if someone can fill them in that would be great. I also have some follow up questions that may have been answered but I am curious. I am going to try and combine them all in one here.

Timeline:

1) Hitler is at the berghof from what dates for the last time? He leaves July ? 1944 for ? and never returns.

A) So what date did he arrive, what date did he leave, where did he go from the Berghof
B) who is at the berghof after he leaves?
C) Do we knwo if he was informed when it was bombed? his reaction?

2) The Berghof and area are bombed on this date?

a) who is at the berghof at this time?
b) Apparently only 2 hits? did anyone still live there after? was it livable? were deliveries still made? groundskeepers?

3) The SS and who are sent to burn all relevant personal effects and the house itself? what Date?

a) are there any pictures at all after the bombing but before the burning?
b) I would imagine this is the last time to retrieve personal effects intact. were any uniforms or clothes of Hitlers taken and preserved?
c) Does anyone know what effects were preserved? some show up today as silverware, or table clothes, china furniture etc. is there a real and confirmed amount of items to this day that we know were really form there?
d) we see pics of locals raiding and taking things away. has anyone ever found out who they may have been or what may still reside in Berchtesgaden itself?

4) from 45 til 52

A) Once things calmed down some after the war, were you allowed to go to the house and walk around?
B) what was the hollywood film made there and when?
C) is there any film of the actual demolition in 52 i think it was?

follow up - I saw somewhere about a groundskeeper who worked there? were there a lot of local support folks? what happened to them?


thanks much for all the cool info here!

oh are there any REAL uniforms of Hitlers still around? his hats etc? socks? i say socks not even as a joke really but did people grab his clothes and glasses etc ?? and how are any of those items confirmed?

thanks much!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Biber » 18 Mar 2020 17:51

headwest wrote:
18 Mar 2020 16:59

oh are there any REAL uniforms of Hitlers still around? his hats etc? socks? i say socks not even as a joke really but did people grab his clothes and glasses etc ?? and how are any of those items confirmed?

thanks much!
Beyond known item in Russian archives/collections, I recently stumbled across an auction house catalog (sorry, I can't remember) that had among other items a pair of AH's socks. I believe David Irving may have his glasses.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by G.K. » 18 Mar 2020 18:00

I once wrote with David Irving because I wanted to know if it was true that he had visited Herta Schneider-Ostermayer's friend Eva Braun. He says he visited her in Garmisch Partenkirchen in 1988 and sent me some photos.
but whether he has AH socks. no idea ;)

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by headwest » 18 Mar 2020 18:27

HA! thanks very cool

love the little details. I always wonder these things, like did Hitler literally say

Burn all my underwear et!

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Max » 19 Mar 2020 02:16

Here are those round arm terrace chairs again. They seem to date from Haus Wachenfeld days.
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Is one of these flipped?
The bottom one , I suspect
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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by CPB » 19 Mar 2020 15:02

Yep, those are the ones – nice spot. That's the Berghof though, not HW.

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Re: Berghof Obersalzberg

Post by Br. James » 19 Mar 2020 15:19

As I see them, the first three (of the five photos above, viewed from top toward bottom) provided by Max in his note of yesterday were taken on the patio outside of the Haus Wachenfeld section of the house, while the last two were taken on the Berghof terrace. Of those last two, the first appears to be a 'flopped' photo, printed backwards, while the second one (last of the set) -- with AH, Speer and Dr. Todt -- is shown correctly.

I recognize that it is difficult to talk about the two separate terraces/patios, since both were present prior to the construction of the Berghof...

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